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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Bottom line is if you're going to dj professionally you cannot expect to stay wherever you may live right now. There are too many factors and you'll soon find yourself living in a place of convenience to your career. |
That is very true! A friend of mine just moved to Vegas because he was driving there from LA every week.
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
The other option is to run your own night but if the demand isnt there in your home town then you'll need lots of cash to get it off the ground and break new ground I guess. |
That is a HUGE tip. Back when I was doing nothing but EDM gigs, I was promoting my own little night at a tiny bar just to get exposure & access to bigger gigs. And guess what? It worked! That's how I landed at Spundae. Even though I was never a resident at Spundae, I was there at least once a month. |
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| music2dance2 |
Going by what you have said, and by what others have said, in places that have a healthly EDM scene the fee's for local dj's are very similar give or take a little each side.
And your residency pays what some residents get here, even at the bigger clubs, dependant on the resident but thats to be expected. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
That is a HUGE tip. Back when I was doing nothing but EDM gigs, I was promoting my own little night at a tiny bar just to get exposure & access to bigger gigs. And guess what? It worked! That's how I landed at Spundae. Even though I was never a resident at Spundae, I was there at least once a month. |
Most definately, the exposure can land you gigs and alsorts of contacts. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
What is good music though...........
I like trance but my mates think it's lame and papy, inacessible and difficult to engage with. They most especially hate the long breakdowns.
As for pop - well the everage person just wants a simple memorable hook that is easy to angage with. I think Gaga is immensely better than any of us - which trance producer do we know that would have such an instant connection with the public.
Reminds me of film critics that fawn over some obscure arthouse french film but diss the American hollywood blockbuster - which is just easy to engage with and enjoy without a lot of deep thought.
I like pop and at the same time minimal tech - big uplifting trance in the main is a bit lame for me apart from certain trqacks like those of cold blue which standout.
So there! |
Dude, have you ever been clubbing? Breakdowns have a place, if they're played right it works. Its all part of the dynamics of the set. And I don't listen to trance anymore anyway.
Pop is in the main, the reason why? Its mostly targetted at 12 year old girls. The reason why? Because they're the most lucrative demographic. The reason why? Because they're the only ones who haven't worked out how to use limewire yet. So if you want to listen to music pitched at 12 year old girls, thats fine, but not for me thanks. And for what its worth, I don't even hate good pop. It does exist but it isn't played in top 40 clubs right now.
Good music is music you haven't heard ten times before, its music that isn't played 10 times a day on radio.
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You know what, this thread has degenerated into one bunch of people talking about how much they love lady gaga, and other's talking about how much they love playing spanish rock re edits and another lot claiming you can live off DJing and another lot whinging about the booth being on the same level as the crowd. Hi guys, this is dance music, your not a rockstar you're not supposed to have a stage! FFS, the point of dance music is that its a movement in the politics of music to bring the art of performance back to the people and away from the elite.
This thread has nothing to do with me or my interests or dance music. Its about how you can make money by spinning watery pop music to luddites who don't know tiesto from gaiser. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
This thread has nothing to do with me or my interests or dance music. Its about how you can make money by spinning watery pop music to luddites who don't know tiesto from gaiser. |
Indeed and I think we've reached that point now. Interesting read of opinions from people in different countries though, regarding making a living from dj-ing etc |
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| meriter |
Bleh.
I don't understand how people can juggle music and working full time. When I get home from work I don't have the energy to do anything and I don't have the spirit to chase after anything. Everything decent I've ever done with music has been when I was unemployed or grossly under-employed. There's just no time otherwise and the soul-crushing monotony of the 9 to 5 wrecks my motivation in the studio.
On that note I almost got fired today and was given the ultimatum to either work full time or not at all. It was a pretty good situation up until then, part time getting paid enough to support myself and still have a life worth living not completely devoted to some ing company |
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
Bleh.
I don't understand how people can juggle music and working full time. When I get home from work I don't have the energy to do anything and I don't have the spirit to chase after anything. Everything decent I've ever done with music has been when I was unemployed or grossly under-employed. There's just no time otherwise and the soul-crushing monotony of the 9 to 5 wrecks my motivation in the studio.
On that note I almost got fired today and was given the ultimatum to either work full time or not at all. It was a pretty good situation up until then, part time getting paid enough to support myself and still have a life worth living not completely devoted to some ing company |
i work nearly full time and i'm a full time student, it's rough but i just cut into sleepin time to produce and slam caffeine 24/7. it. you live once right? |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| There's thousands upon thousands of DJ's in the industry today. Some new some old, some good and some not. It doesn't matter. I've heard really good dj's spin their weekly gigs out at clubs and other musically related events, and I've heard the exact opposite. The question you should ask yourself is what makes you any different from the next dj. What differentiates your style of music and how you perform behind the decks from the next? That's the problem with the industry now. DJ's like James Zabelia who can tear up the fx processor and turntablist like Magic Mike or scratch dj's like Qbert all have a distinguished ability. If you're just matching a beat and hoping that a great preprogrammed set is going to capture the attention of the masses. You're sadly mistaken. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if you are doing this to support yourself consider this. Your livelihood depends on whether or not people like you but more importantly if they book you. You do not earn penny spending all your money on records, music downloads, and equipment to support the "hobby" / "passion" if you're not getting booked. Now if you love music and your good at it, then people will take notice no matter where you are. I hardly doubt separating yourself from your family, your support structure, and bringing upon yourself unreasonable financial troubles is hardly worth it especially with this invention they call they internet. You could just as easily hop on a plane and fly to your next gig. You could just as easily get a regular gig where you are. If you're on TA to ask us if we/I think that you should rearrange your entire life just to accomodate it then my answer will definitely be no. This is coming from someone that's moved all over the country vying for better and more frequent gigs. Now granted, I've had the privlege of opening for Gabriel & Dresden, Richard Humpty Vision, General MIDI, Lee Coombs and numerous others. I've played along side Jon Wilkes with Red Jump Suit Apparatus and was affiliated with the same organization who promoted Flo Rida but the point I'm trying to make is that at some point it all comes crashing down and you look up and youa ask yourself if you're ready for round 99999 of bull or if its just easier and less threatening to your life if you just wait for people to come to you (with a bit of marketing and promotion). If you give up entirely than you'll just fall by the wayside and noone will ever recognize whatever it is you do. So, I guess my advice is follow your dreams but don't rearrange your life for something that is the "music business". Play local gigs, make a name for yourself wherever you are. Get a job that will support you and go hang out at the clubs on the weekend. Makes more sense to know that you'll have a paycheck every week and that anything you earn based on your talents as dj would be extra. Never do this to make a penny because you'll never see one. |
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| meriter |
good post ryan
Hey did you seriously open up for richard humpty vission? When? That guy ing destroyed when I saw him in '99. Like switching records every minute or so, and always a huge buildup into it. I don't think he looked up once, just dripping sweat on the mixer. Awesome awesome show.. best dj I've ever seen live I think. |
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| EliPsE |
| DJ Ryan, what the are you thinking? Do you think anyone is ever going to read a wall of text like that. Use some common sense. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
good post ryan
Hey did you seriously open up for richard humpty vission? When? That guy ing destroyed when I saw him in '99. Like switching records every minute or so, and always a huge buildup into it. I don't think he looked up once, just dripping sweat on the mixer. Awesome awesome show.. best dj I've ever seen live I think. |
yea like 2007 or 2008 @ Jacksonville's - French Quarter. It was horrible- the bottom of the cities EDM Scene. Me and a few others, who were working with Vizion 1 (whose now in Orlando) decided that we'd have RHV and DJ DAN. I think combined those two shows had 200 people. I think that's when I knew that it was time for me to move to Atlanta. It was either that or head south to O-town or Miami but I had no "family" in either of those places so off to Atlanta I came. Since then I've been in attendence to some of the most amazing shows I've ever been to- thanks primairly to Liquified and Household. The move was great for hearing top50 dj's on a weekly basis- still is (see signature of all the upcoming Atlanta Events) but as far as djing is concerned. Its the worst thing I could've done. Which goes to my point. You could know people, people could dig your music, and you could have all the reason in the world to think things will go well in your new locale but then you get there and things aren't as they seemed and your assed out. The music business is . Get a day job and do it because you love it. Not because you want to make a career out of it. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
here's a picture of me w/ RHV.
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