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Anti Smoking nuts continue with more extensive Toronto ban (pg. 4)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by c-mal
If your point is that they'll take the banning to a new and ultimately frustrating level later down the line, then complain when they actually do.
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they already have |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jennifer_P_
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my first year of university you could still smoke in class |
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| I_Am_Vince |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
my first year of university you could still smoke in class |
lol wow that would've been so awesome!
Very interesting debate going on in this thread. I'm a smoker again after not smoking for a while. And during that time the smell of smoke was very offensive. So I do agree with the no smoking in restaurants and stuff. But what I don't get is how people get mad about not smoking in nightclubs. Going deaf from the excessive sound levels in a club would pose a more serious health concern than second hand smoke, but you never see anyone trying to ban loud music at a night club. Hell just walking down Yonge St you'll be exposing your lungs to more dangerous fumes from trucks, buses, and cars compared to a bit of second hand smoke. |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Good question. But study or not, i can tell you firsthand what it has done to clubs and bars based on what happened to my paycheque. |
What about the "financial meltdown of 2008" and the "great economic downturn" resulting from therein? |
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| Jayx1 |
| as i said, i dont recall a recession occurring in 2006 ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| Word is now that CAMH wants to ban smoking near its campus as well. Man, if you think those mental patients were psycho before, just wait till all the nic fits kick in! |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by c-mal
We're not talking blown-in-your-face smoke here. If someone is standing on the outskirts of a playground, the smoke is going to travel into the area with the kids, you can't deny that.
Why anyone would be against the idea to limit children's exposure to 2nd hand smoke is beyond me...
Why are you guys so against this?
Oh no, I can't smoke within 9 ft of a playground or swimming pool or running track. Whoop-di-in-do...
When they start banning smoking in the bleachers or on sidewalks or something similar, then you can start an uproar.
If your point is that they'll take the banning to a new and ultimately frustrating level later down the line, then complain when they actually do.
Even if it's barely a health issue, it's a nuisance issue. What athlete or child wants to inhale even a bit of smoke while performing/playing? |
It's 9 meters, not 9 feet. So yes, this WOULD ban smoking in the bleachers, and possibly even some sidewalks.
There would probably even be parents who would skip out on watching their kid play soccer because they aren't allowed to enjoy a cigarette while they watch (as pathetic as that is, it would happen).
The amount of smoke drifting across the field to the kids would be absolutely miniscule since it would be diluted in the air during it's travel across the field (and up OVER the air that the kids would be breathing).
And yes, these bans are always incremental. They started with smoking rooms, then an outright indoor ban, then a ban on smoking NEAR buildings, then a ban on smoking under any roof with 3 or more walls, then a ban on smoking under almost ANY structure on a patio (including 2 patio-umbrellas that are touching), then a ban on smoking in your own car with kids, then a ban on smoking within 9 meters of parks and playgrounds, and now a ban on smoking near athletic fields. They are also considering a ban on smoking in appartment and condo residences. Of course, they can't just place an outright ban on smoking, since tobacco, like marijuana, is really easy to grow and thus would be entirely unenforceable. But, it goes to demonstrate how governments take control one step at a time, and usually in the name of the public good. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
my first year of university you could still smoke in class |
Uhhhhhhh..
I used to smoke on airplanes and in movie theater's... |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
If you're hard up for money, maybe you should consider saving some by taking public transit. Lol. |
tee heeeeee...
:-)
I going to say that this outdoor smoking thing is probably not
too harmful to non smokers...
That being said....
I don't like to smoke around children in any setting and I try and stay clear of non smokers out of courtesy... |
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| nacarter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Then you are wrong. It HAS had a huge impact. It has obviously changed the face of the industry. And considering that in most cases, bar/club jobs cant be transferred to restaurants, that leaves a lot of jobless people.
And a "family" restaurant includes place like mcdonalds, the likes of which would have expanded with or without the smoke ban. |
Perhaps I should have clarified the definition of family restaurant - McDonalds is segmented in FAST FOOD. A Family Restaurant would include Kelsey's, Montana's, Milestones, diners, etc. and quite frankly, jobs between this segment and the bar/nightclub segment are quite transferrable. Alcohol served on premises? You need bar staff. Yes, there is no need for the shooter girl, but anytime there is a change in the mix, you will lose and gain staff in different areas.
Is a change in the mix a fundamental change in the industry? No. Take the auto industry for example, when buyer trends led the manufacturers to produce more SUVs, did the auto industry fundamentally change? Of course not, they're still producing vehicles and some jobs are lost from plants that produce less popular vehicles, while jobs were gained at plants producing SUVs. As the trends change, the mix changes and jobs fluctuate. With the new emphasis on fuel efficient vehicles, jobs are returning to plants that had previously lost employees.
In the bar/nightclub industry, the smoking ban is a temporary barrier. Guelph has had a smoking ban in place for a DECADE, and not one club has been lost specifically because of lack of smoking customers. The major clubs in the city have been there 12+ years - a couple have rebranded (same ownership), but they haven't closed. In Toronto, the liquor licensing process is a much bigger barrier than the smoking ban. Almost all of us can name at least one club that has been closed due to liquor license issues. Smokers will initially stay away, but in the long term, they'll be back, along with new customers that previously staid away from nightclubs because they didn't like smelling like an ashtray on Sunday mornings. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by c-mal
We're not talking blown-in-your-face smoke here. If someone is standing on the outskirts of a playground, the smoke is going to travel into the area with the kids, you can't deny that.
Why anyone would be against the idea to limit children's exposure to 2nd hand smoke is beyond me... |
no it won't lol!
it's not a freaking ash cloud, it's gone into the thin air within seconds - not like this smoke cloud travels kilometers and looms over crowds
you're exaggerating :) |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by I_Am_Vince
But what I don't get is how people get mad about not smoking in nightclubs. Going deaf from the excessive sound levels in a club would pose a more serious health concern than second hand smoke, but you never see anyone trying to ban loud music at a night club. Hell just walking down Yonge St you'll be exposing your lungs to more dangerous fumes from trucks, buses, and cars compared to a bit of second hand smoke. |
uh what? Vince I can't believe you said that
partying in a smoked up club is the worst thing ever - wanna see the burn marks I still have on my hands from douches bumping into me and putting this cigs out by accident?
not to mention that comparing smoking in a crowded environment like a club and OUTSIDE fumes is absolute nonsense - dancing in such environment was an absolute hazard sometimes!
NOT to mention how we all freaking STUNK after we would leave the club! |
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