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Shark Attack in Hollywood? (pg. 3)
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| DaveT |
Ah crap, you're right Anthony; 9.8 million. That just makes it worse!!! Maybe it was 4 million for LA City, not county. I had to get 4 million from somewhere!!
And I am not talking about the "control" crowd. I'm talking a genuine clubbing crowd.
With people talknig 18+, Club Naked (I think DJ Reza ran it, actually) that used to be in downtown LA had the right idea. It was 21+ until 2am, then turned into an 18+ club and would go until 7am+. The times I went it was a nasty, dirty place but it was POPPING super late. |
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| MelBeat |
| This was my third weekend in a row at Shark and there were much fewer people there. There wasn't anybody in the back room and even in the main room the left side vip area was empty. So, no, it wasn't because of Shark that Circus wasn't very busy on Saturday. (It wasn't that bad considering there was the fetish nation crowd) And it wasn't because of Avalon either; they had a totally different crowd. |
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| DaveT |
telling you, the big massives are killing the trance club scene here. Most of the top DJs are focusing on the big one-off events because it's means less travel to LA with 10 times the exposure.
You are seeing 1-2+ year gaps with some of the biggest DJs playing at a club or at least on a weekend night at a club. And DJs are PLANNING this. The big gaps are completely intentional by the DJs and their teams. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by MelBeat
This was my third weekend in a row at Shark and there were much fewer people there. There wasn't anybody in the back room and even in the main room the left side vip area was empty. So, no, it wasn't because of Shark that Circus wasn't very busy on Saturday. |
The music early Friday night was a lot more housey (I think Christian Couture was spinning at that time), definitely not the usual uplifting trance. There were people on the dance floor around 10:30pm but by 11pm it started clearing out. I took off before Cressida because my friends and I couldn't get into it.
Almost every time I've gone to Shark Club, with the exception of last week, the dance floor was quite busy late into the night. I would be surprised if this week the floor wasn't packed. |
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| mar46017 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
I have a good question. With 4million+ people in LA county, how in the hell isn't there a major club night (where you can potentially hear trance) on Fridays anywhere in LA or Hollywood. |
crowd my friend. crowd. Trance crowd sucks in LA. |
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| Cool1g |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
I have a good question. With 4million+ people in LA county, how in the hell isn't there a major club night (where you can potentially hear trance) on Fridays anywhere in LA or Hollywood. |
there is the Rise party in Hollywood on fridays... they had a nice turnout for Victor Dinaire and Matt Cerf last friday nite... |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
yet a city up north has 1/5th the population and they do
yet another reason sf>la |
so I guess the score is now
LA - 2,465
SF - 4 |
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| DaveT |
sorry, with 10 million people in one damn county there are enough people to make a solid trance night on fridays. You can't tell me there aren't a big group of people otu there who would go to Hollywood or whatev on Friday night if a good party was being thrown.
It might even work better than Saturdays here given the far fewer options for big nights people will have on fridays versus saturdays.
Now I wouldn't go starting one in some major club. But find a club, rent sound if you have to, and start something build and move into abigger/better venues. If you build a successful night, I'd hope one of the bigger clubs would notice want to let you at least try throwing an even there in time. Talking over a good period of time, not within weeks or months of starting up.
And I'd have strict guidelines depending on the crowd I wanted to attact. Like that washer bull. no. my club night, you don't do that . It gives off a very bad vibe to new people checking the place out who are serious abotu finding a venue to spend their money at in the future. Once the place is established, then maybe relax things...to a certain point. While it makes you look pretty stupid, to each his own with that stuff as long as you don't just act like no one else if there and be rude. Once I had an established crowd I'd consider allowing it until people really started to complain about. Or maybe I'll create a side room called the "wash room" with all 145+ bpm DJs. |
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| bas |
| People just don't like trance, get over it :p |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
People just don't like trance, get over it :p |
The problem is that trance tends to be the "gateway" into EDM as a whole. It's the most marketed genre world wide, thus giving it the most exposure here in the US, and in Los Angeles specifically. The core trance crowd is just a revolving door of newbies that eventually move on to house, techno, progressive, etc.
Of course, LA still has its die-hard trancers who have moved past the all-ages scene and into the club scene. However, that ENTIRE group can be found at Circus every Saturday night. Bottom line, there isn't a big enough scene to support a big Friday trance night in this city. |
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| DaveT |
Trance is far less of a gateway than it used to be. Or at least, several types of trance. People stay int he proggier and techier trance a lot longer more than epic trance. Hell, a lot of people fall out of love with epic trance but will still go see the proggier trance and tech-trance DJs.
And when I am talking of a Friday night I'm not talkiig about a pure trance night. That wouldn't be smart. I'm talking about a night wher you can potentially hear trance. And more than every few months like at Avalon.
I'm talking about a night where it could be any number of genres, with trance being just as big in the picture as the other genres the night would focus on.
If SF can do it, don't tell me LA can't.
And again, it would have to be a night that would have to be built upon over time. Because it's not like someone is going to step in and quickly pick up key house, prog, other arists that play with another promoter every time in LA. It's makes it more difficult, but DJs can be pulled away. You just have to put yourself in a good position to do it.
And of course, I'd think I'd have to plant myself and be ready to suffer financially for awhile because to build a crowd, sacrifices would obviously have to be made. Like a lot of free entry and rely on bar sales (work a deal with venue) to build a crowd.
For example, with Circus' low numbers on Saturday, work a damn deal with the venue where they can open up FREE GUESTLISTS more regularly and try to get a bigger crowd who would be willing to check it out for free and then rely on bar sales. And don't close the list before 11pm. And don't do "bring this flyer" stuff. Isn't that what strip clubs do? Bring this flyer for free entry! I would even do to midnight depending the night, if things are looking slow. Build crowds on those nights, and then do your best to impress them to keep them coming back (this is where like lighting & sound can be so important). Then when you have that crowd, try charging (and start small). Of course, all easier said than done. WAY EASIER said than done.
But if you sit there and have all these free entry opportunities and still aren't able to expand your crowd or bring in a decent sized one, then something is def wrong somewhere.
And have a team around you WHO KNOWS THE SCENE. Having people on your team who pretty much know only one venue or promoter and everything about them does not help your team get an advantage on ideas or what to do to make that club more appealing to others. Some people come so enamoured and hole themselves in one club so much that when other clubs pass them by or make changes to try to impress both the crowd and DJs, they are no where to be seen to even notice it. And that's when you suffer.
Damn, I wish I had a lot of money. Maybe I'd fail, but I'd at least do what I could to give it a shot! I'd wait though. I'd wait for the economy to start recovering and have it be the time. It's when people will be going out more as consumer confidence increases and the venue would be in a good position to try to reel those people. |
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| DjWoody |
One problem that I think it keeps getting overlooked is that most EDM promoters fight for to the same crowd, on other words, they promote at the same places. That's why the same people go to all the events. I'll give you some examples where promoters promote to a different crowd and they still have great turnouts.
Example 1... NATHAN FAKE... The crowd they brought is was different than your normal EDM crowd you find at the usual venues.
Example 2... INSOMNIAC... These guys are masters at promoting and that's why their events keep blowing up. They promote all over the place. I have seen Insomniac promoting at everything from my Spanish Rock events all the way to Mexico to obviously Avalon & Vanguard. I know tons of people who aren't EDM diehards and go to Insomniac events because they were given a flyer at a non EDM event. I'm already getting asked by a lot of the regulars at my club if I'm going to EDC.
Sunday night I went to a latin jazz concert at Detroit Bar and someone was promoting EDC. Tomorrow I'm going to the Nokia to see Julieta Venegas and I'll bet you they'll be promoting it there too. |
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