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Shark Attack in Hollywood? (pg. 5)
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by MelBeat
Armin Van Buuren would fill Circus with the curtains open any time. So would Above & Beyond, John '00' Fleming and many others from the Spundae era. But when was the last time they played at a club in LA on a Saturday? |
Gareth Emery in March 2010 and Andy Moor and The Thrillseekers in August 2009 filled the club pretty well. Those nights were promoted pretty heavily. AvB or A&B would easily pack Circus. |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
Gareth Emery in March 2010 and Andy Moor and The Thrillseekers in August 2009 filled the club pretty well. Those nights were promoted pretty heavily. AvB or A&B would easily pack Circus. |
bro... AvB packed the place when Spundae was there. Nearly 4,000 people in attendance. Fire Marshals arrived. General Admission cranked to over $100+ at the door and people were still buying them. You could barely walk around if you were out on the patio. |
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| bigperf |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
bro... ATB and AvB packed the place when Spundae was there. Nearly 4,000 people in attendance. Fire Marshals arrived. General Admission cranked to over $100+ at the door and people were still buying them. You could barely walk around if you were out on the patio. |
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wait a minute Billy if you are referring to the white party...i think you are not being completely truthful with the original post
I fixed it for you so credit is given to the DJ's that were playing that night.
Also wasnt there another euro dj advertised but he ran into MENNy visa prOblems that DE layed his JOurNey... Gee who was it? |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by bigperf
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wait a minute Billy if you are referring to the white party...i think you are not being completely truthful with the original post
I fixed it for you so credit is given to the DJ's that were playing that night.
Also wasnt there another euro dj advertised but he ran into MENNy visa prOblems that DE layed his JOurNey... Gee who was it? |
actually, each AvB night sold out. Not an easy thing to do considering the size of the venue. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
Actually, you make a case for one of my points. You won't find trance labels in the top 20 on Beatport because DJs buying tracks at that site have moved on from trance. You don't start spinning EDM until you've listened to it first, right? DJs are perfect examples of people who may have found EDM by way of trance, but have moved on to different genres as they were exposed to other sounds. Just ask Clovis about this LOL. I am also a good example for this. I listened to trance for a couple years, then "graduated" to house and progressive. This was about when I started buying records to teach myself how to spin. My tastes have since been refined to include deep house, tech-house and techno.
If I'm not mistaken, Beatport enjoys a much smaller percentage of the DJ track sales in Europe when compared to other sites like Juno, Traxsource, DJDownload, etc because of monetary exchange rates. Trance is also more highly regarded in Europe whereas the US favors the crossovers like Guetta and Sinclar. These guys produce "house" tracks with a pop-music format at BPMs much slower than trance tracks. This appeals to the US pop culture more than that in Europe, where the general public keeps a more open mind about what they hear.
I'd be willing to bet that trance tracks on iTunes have a larger market share than Beatport because the tracks are cheap. The casual listener/club-goer does not have a need to buy tracks at 320kbps or in .wav format. |
no one is going to announce their official numbers as far as total sales go but all the biggest labels in dance have pretty much gone exclusive to beatport for most of their releases (if not fully exclusive, exclusive for the first week or so). Juno & Traxsource have 1/20th of the staff that beatport has and DJDownload almost went insolvent last year.
I agree trance is a genre in europe that gets lots of radio play, i've spent some time over there and can confirm but it's just as marketed as house, chill out, etc. All those genres, and many other forms of EDM have crossover potential, i really don't see the bias in favor of trance. |
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| Apeattack |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
bro... AvB packed the place when Spundae was there. Nearly 4,000 people in attendance. Fire Marshals arrived. General Admission cranked to over $100+ at the door and people were still buying them. You could barely walk around if you were out on the patio. |
Yeah, so you agree with me. |
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| 72hrpartyanimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Apeattack
Yeah, so you agree with me. |
correct :) it was a little excess info, but man... them were some good times :D |
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| TSG |
| quote: | Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal
correct :) it was a little excess info, but man... them were some good times :D |
Yup yup, that's for sure! |
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| in2muzikk |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Brian Scott The core trance crowd is just a revolving door of newbies that eventually move on to house, techno, progressive, etc. |
I'm personally more than a bit sick of repeatedly hearing that it's mostly kiddies who listen to trance, then "move on" to house, techno, progressive, etc. All this says to me is that there's a good number of house heads out there who are insecure with their genre and feel it necessary to berate others.
Just like any genre of music, there is a continuum of quality from "omg, this sends chills up my spine and sends me onto the dance floor" to "worst song I ever heard, I wish I was outside puking because it would be better than listening to this." Yeah, this applies to house, trance, progressive, dnb, breaks, whatever.
I really don't like placing music into neat little genres. It's often a series of beats & rhythms that transcend classification. Even my friends have asked me "would you call this song progressive, techno, trance, progressive trance, tech trance, progressive house, or ???" That said, I suppose that we need some kind of description so that we're not all out dancing to country & western when we expected some good techno, for example...
I listen to a variety of music, and what appeals to me most is well produced trance, progressive trance, techno, progressive house, some electro, and other stuff that really doesn't fit into any of these categories but we have to call it something. I have done my part to give house music a try: I went to the Ovum party and Sasha/Jon Cowan @ Shine during WMC, but was just bored out of my mind...not my thing. So I wouldn't say that I've grown into or out of anything, but if I go listen to a particular DJ and like the sound, then I'll probably go back again.
When I hear someone say that "Circus is a trance club on Saturdays," that's a stereotype and gross oversimplification, probably put out there by someone who rarely or never even goes to the club. In the past year alone, they've had Jaytech (tech trance), Super8 & Tab (freakin awesome uplifting trance), Eddie Halliwell (prog house), Gareth Emery (prog trance), JOOF (hard prog), etc. I really enjoy DJ's such as Tatana who defy being classified into genres and move from progressive house to trance, etc. and back with ease. Cressida was this way too in 2009, but apparently was asked to play progressive in OC and trance in Hollywood recently (which was kinda disappointing, because I was expecting a set from Matthias with more variety).
Sure, I've heard Armin, Tiesto, PVD, Ferry, A&B and a number of other "Top 10" DJ's play at Circus to a packed floor. That was then and this is now, they go to massives and skip the clubs for the most part. There's still a huge amount of talent out there, however, accomplished DJ's and producers from all over the world who deserve more of an audience than they're getting these days.
Since the floor is packed for Armin, PVD, Ferry, A&B, etc., there seems to be plenty of interest here even in America, land of pop and top 40. In Europe, the majority of the top mixmag DJ's are trance/tech/prog, so no lack of support there either.
One theory could be that the average fan of trance/prog EDM (uplifting trance, tech trance, progressive trance, progressive house, etc.) is not familiar with the lesser known DJ's who propel this musical spectrum forward, so they go hear the ones they know about : the Top 10. Since these DJ's are only at the massives, the clubs suffer even though they continue to bring in some awesome talent. As others have mentioned, perhaps this is the real shark attack in Hollywood... :wtf: |
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| anomalies |
| quote: | Originally posted by in2muzikk
One theory could be that the average fan of trance/prog EDM (uplifting trance, tech trance, progressive trance, progressive house, etc.) is not familiar with the lesser known DJ's who propel this musical spectrum forward, so they go hear the ones they know about : the Top 10. Since these DJ's are only at the massives, the clubs suffer even though they continue to bring in some awesome talent. As others have mentioned, perhaps this is the real shark attack in Hollywood... :wtf: |
sums it up |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | | Originally posted by in2muzikk |
You quoted me out of context. Please quote my whole post.
In my EDM experience in Los Angeles (12 years and counting), I've noticed a continuous trend of people gradually changing "genres" of preference. (I put "genres" in quotes because you say it's tough to define some tracks/DJs. I'll give you that, but you can make generalizations that more or less sum up the sound of a particular artist or track.) Trance and (more recently) Electro are starting blocks for many EDM listeners. These are the predominant sounds at the big cross-promoted events like EDC, Nocturnal, Hard, etc. It's once the newbies have their feet in the door that they discover the other "genres."
Also keep in mind that as a typical person gets older, he/she isn't gonna want to party for 8 hours on end at 140 bpm. At 17 or 18 years old, one can do that every weekend without batting an eyelash. At 30 years old, that begins to get a bit tougher LOL. |
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| alan |
| IMO, i dont think the effect of Shark Club is that strong to affect Circus on Saturdays. Its just too far. |
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