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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
unnecessary thread #152235. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Pfft...
That's it?? |
yeah i know.. its not as cool as wearing black and smashing ....
oh well
LOL! |
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| Miss. S |
| i had no idea about this till yesterday and read the list of things theyre going to tax now. its ing outrageous! :whip: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| Give it a month and everyone will forget all about the HST. Trust me that how we roll in this country.:o The government knows that too and thats why they always shove whatever they want up our asses. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well by actually voting i am more politically active than almost the majority of our citizens. |
Just curious... exactly who do you plan on voting for to correct this horrible, horrible tax... obviously not the Ontario Liberals, as they brought it in; clearly not the Federal Conservatives, as they were the ones pushing for it; couldn't be the Ontario PC, since Timmy was a huge supporter of it and notes that he won't repeal it; definately not the Federal Liberals being as they have not voiced any opposition to it. NDP? Green? Marxist-Lenninists? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss. S
i had no idea about this till yesterday and read the list of things theyre going to tax now. its ing outrageous! :whip: |
WHAT? You had no idea about this until YESTERDAY? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
WHAT? You had no idea about this until YESTERDAY? |
there are many many more just like this out there craig |
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| Miss. S |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
WHAT? You had no idea about this until YESTERDAY? |
well i heard the word hst but i didnt know the meaning and what it meant for us, i should say. i geeve alot |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Just curious... exactly who do you plan on voting for to correct this horrible, horrible tax... obviously not the Ontario Liberals, as they brought it in; clearly not the Federal Conservatives, as they were the ones pushing for it; couldn't be the Ontario PC, since Timmy was a huge supporter of it and notes that he won't repeal it; definately not the Federal Liberals being as they have not voiced any opposition to it. NDP? Green? Marxist-Lenninists? |
Hudak wants to make it 10 percent which is the best compromise ive heard so far. But for now hes lost my vote for his decision not support the calls for an independent inquiry on police actions. I will see how his reaction is in the coming days on that. I have sent him and my MPPs letters about this.
Harper also encouraged implementation of the HST at a lower rate but said it was the province's decision at what rate it actually set.
Mcguinty would have been wise to take certain items off the list (other than tampons :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:) such as electricity and gasoline if he wasnt going to lower the combined rate.
At this point unless things change to my satisfaction i will either be going to the ballot box and officially declining my ballot or voting libertarian if there is a libertarian candidate in my riding. And if not, maybe i will run for them? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Hudak wants to make it 10 percent which is the best compromise ive heard so far. But for now hes lost my vote for his decision not support the calls for an independent inquiry on police actions. I will see how his reaction is in the coming days on that. I have sent him and my MPPs letters about this.
Harper also encouraged implementation of the HST at a lower rate but said it was the province's decision at what rate it actually set. |
I'm all for decreasing the tax burden; however, the better way to go would be to leave the consumption taxes high and lower the income taxes. If you want to push for something that should be it.
| quote: | | Mcguinty would have been wise to take certain items off the list (other than tampons :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:) such as electricity and gasoline if he wasnt going to lower the combined rate. |
I think you may be over-estimating the impact of the tax on voters... as we've seen some people didn't even know about this until YESTERDAY. My guess is that due to the timing much of the initial outrage will be lost given the short attention spans of summer and by the time we get to the ballots the new funding announcements made possible by the additional revenues will secure way more votes then having exempted certain items would. Speaking purely from a political strategy view... Premire Dad has played this one very well.
[At this point unless things change to my satisfaction i will either be going to the ballot box and officially declining my ballot or voting libertarian if there is a libertarian candidate in my riding. And if not, maybe i will run for them? [/QUOTE]
I encourage all of these options. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well by actually voting i am more politically active than almost the majority of our citizens.
I also am a member and volunteer for political parties and vote in their conventions.
I engage my MP and MPP often and in person about certain matters. They are easily accessible if you pay attention.
And after this weekend i am probably going to volunteer for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association
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But lots of other people do these things.
In order to change the laws you dislike, you're going to have to do what you're doing, as well as convince others (both those who believe the opposite of what you do as well as those who aren't politically active at all) that your way (or the way of those you follow) is the best way. This requires rather formidable leadership qualities.
Do you believe you're going to convince other intelligent and rational people that your way is the best way by resorting to tactics like referring to your opponent as "McDouchebag"? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I'm all for decreasing the tax burden; however, the better way to go would be to leave the consumption taxes high and lower the income taxes. If you want to push for something that should be it. |
thats your opinion. Personally i think the total overall tax burden should be lowered as should government spending as well as government intrusiveness.
| quote: | | I think you may be over-estimating the impact of the tax on voters... as we've seen some people didn't even know about this until YESTERDAY. My guess is that due to the timing much of the initial outrage will be lost given the short attention spans of summer and by the time we get to the ballots the new funding announcements made possible by the additional revenues will secure way more votes then having exempted certain items would. Speaking purely from a political strategy view... Premire Dad has played this one very well. |
ignorance does not make the tax better. The impact will be greatly felt every time i buy gas for one. If premier dad wanted to let this one slip by easy he would have exempted gas and electricity. |
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