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Union Jack - Vuvuzelas (pg. 4)
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
way to ruin the thread system-j.
The track rocks end of story. |
You suck, end of story. |
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| RebeL9 |
Also I think the simple reason why tracks such as Longhorn is hyped is because there are very few djs that play these kind of stuff. Something that isn't on Armada and isn't pumped up on supersaws.
It might not be a fantastic track or outstanding, but comparing it with the rest of the stuff released in the trance genre this surely is different. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
way to ruin the thread system-j.
The track rocks end of story. |
I used to like this track, but all of a sudden the thought of admiring it sickens me. Strange. |
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| skip |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You mean Paul Brogdan, who he's worked with as Clanger since 1994? That must be a creative challenge.
So how can you possibly think you have any right to comment on how original it is? If you can't name one single track that sounds like it, you have absolutely no grounds to say "I don't find it unique in any way". |
I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to be a ing know-it-all expert of all things I'm commenting on. :o
I love old trance, the non-epic kind and I have my fair share of twinkly prog, but neither have been my favorite genres when they were going strong and I have not dug as deep into either to call myself an expert of either. I like too much other music too for that. And I do have a life outside of music too, so I can't devote all my time to music even if i wanted to.
Maybe I should have said that I don't find it original in any way, rather than unique. When you really think of it everything is unique unless it's exactly the same as something else, so saying that something isn't unique is kinda wrong.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Persia, along with Mongoose and Turkish Bizarre, has a much more Middle Eastern influence than Berry's older work, which was mostly themed around nature, with lots of samples of crickets, frogs, flowing water, tribal instruments etc. It also doesn't have much of a psy-trance influence, which is relatively uncommon for Middle Eastern-themed trance. It's got 21st Century production quality but it doesn't sound like epic trance, and it certainly doesn't sound like ing twinkly prog. |
Won't comment on Mongoose and Turkish Bizarre as I can't remember how either of them sound like. But what exactly makes Persia Middle Eastern influenced? The chick chanting? I think it sounds way more like epic trance than old Union Jack or Art of Trance does. I also get a twinkly prog vibe from it.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And no, sounding different does not automatically mean better, but people who aren't conservative and safe about music do not want producers to remake the same template 30+ times. Ever heard the phrase "Familiarity breeds contempt?" I'd rather Berry/Brogdan made nothing and just play the originals than watch them churn out endless tired rehashes and praise them for it. |
I am not familiar with that phrase. I'm not an expert on english phrases either. But from what I gather it means that the more you know something the more you dislike it, which I kinda can understand, but I have to say that i've never been that type of a person. In my opinion things don't turn to when they become familiar to me. Sure, I might get bored of something if there's too much of it and being exposed to something 24/7 will undoubtedly make you hate it. But those two exceptions aside, I try to keep my mind free of such thoughts and judge things more objectively.
But I do agree that they should rather not produce than produce "cookie cutter copies" of their past works. To me Longhorn for example sounds different, like does Persia, but not very much. But of the whole Triclops album Longhorn is the only track I liked. I also liked the instrumental of Papillon, of their newer work. I don't think either of these tracks are fresh, but that's not what I'm looking for in music. I'm looking for stuff that I like and freshness, like trendiness and all that bull is rather irrelevant to me.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And while I'm ranting, this is about far more than just one boring track. It's about the entire mentality of the trance scene. I'm sick of "proper trance" fans who have absolutely nothing to offer, listen to nothing outside their genre, think combining progressive house and psy-trance in a DJ set is highly eclectic and praise music by saying "It's still better than anything made since 1998" because they're too regressive to look for new music. And then when someone criticises a track the only riposte they can think of is "You must like Armin and Tiesto" because in their tunnel-vision little trance world, those are the options. |
I hope this isn't directed towards me, because it couldn't be further off. I don't like current "trance" one bit though, but I'm finding music i like in loads of other genres. Never liked psy much at all though. I'd like to find good new trance though, but I haven't found much, therefore I'm digging old stuff and other genres. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
Won't comment on Mongoose and Turkish Bizarre as I can't remember how either of them sound like. But what exactly makes Persia Middle Eastern influenced? The chick chanting? I think it sounds way more like epic trance than old Union Jack or Art of Trance does. I also get a twinkly prog vibe from it. |
It's in Arabic, for a start. Although you say that as if it's impossible for there to be such a thing as Middle Eastern-flavoured epic trance. I also don't think it sounds anything like epic trance, as there's no big breakdown and build, no snare rolls, no massive melody, no stereotypical epic trance synth sounds, anything. It also doesn't sound like twinkly prog. There's no sidechaining, there's no big growling bassline, it's too fast...
| quote: | | I hope this isn't directed towards me, because it couldn't be further off. I don't like current "trance" one bit though, but I'm finding music i like in loads of other genres. Never liked psy much at all though. I'd like to find good new trance though, but I haven't found much, therefore I'm digging old stuff and other genres. |
It's a broadside directed at several people in this thread, a lot of people on this forum and most people in the "real" trance scene. |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's in Arabic, for a start. |
I haven't listened to the track in question, but it seems somewhat odd for a track called "Persia" to be in Arabic. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
I personally think Persia sucks. It's just boring and bland and not special in any way. Longhorn isn't anything revolutionary either, but IMO it just works. It's not a peak time floorfiller, but not every tune has to be.
I can't see how Longhorn would be any lazier effort than Persia. I'd put them in the same category, based on effort and how they differ from other music etc. I happen to like Longhorn and dislike Persia though, that's why I personally rate Longhorn higher.
About the free download Redd mentioned:
The free version of Longhorn is the edited Album Version, while the one in the YouTube clip is the full length(?) Club Mix. |
No. The free version is the full length album version. The Club Mix was made afterwards and isn't much more than simply adding add more bars at the end of the song to make it easier to mix out of.
Jack has alerady covered all the bases of why Persia is a good track (great, imo).
I'll be honest, it was a little disappointing (though only a little) that we didn't get anything in years from Berry except Persia, Mongoose, and Turkish Bizarre (which I all really love) and then we got Pylon Pigs. I think it was a great album (my favorite of 2009 for sure), but the programming was terrible and there were a few tracks on it that weren't up to par.
Personally, I like Longhorn. I like the bassline, the background noises, I find the horns interesting, and I like the rather subtle build up that is has that doesn't rely on any huge snare rolls or blaring synths or any of the other cliches of trance. I thought it fit perfectly into a mix I made last November and I really like it listening to it again now.
| quote: | | I hope this isn't directed towards me, because it couldn't be further off. I don't like current "trance" one bit though, but I'm finding music i like in loads of other genres. Never liked psy much at all though. I'd like to find good new trance though, but I haven't found much, therefore I'm digging old stuff and other genres. |
More towards Hamid, Domesticated, and myself I think. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
I haven't listened to the track in question, but it seems somewhat odd for a track called "Persia" to be in Arabic. |
I know. I'm not praising Berry for his cultural sensitivity, by any means. |
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So how can you possibly think you have any right to comment on how original it is? |
wow welcome to germany - 1938
i like it. |
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| thegman |
Back to my original intentions for posting this track, listen to the Vuvuzelas man! Happy world cup friends!
I actually think it is a decent track, but I honestly find those horns just as annoying here as I do when watching the cup haha |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Light The Fuse
wow welcome to germany - 1938
i like it. |
wit. |
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