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Monocle: Top 25 Most Liveable Cities 2010 (pg. 6)
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| Meat187 |
On a serious note, "green thinking" means retarded thinking to me.
The authors probably think about Munich's great idea of an "environmental zone" in the center, where only modern cars with a low output of respirable dust are allowed. Which is of course just a clever way to suck money from people (you have to pay for the tags that allow you in) and otherwise completely useless, as people just drive around the zone and emissions refuse to follow the idiotic rules of politicians and spread all over the center. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzQi
I agree |
I didn't mean to make a spectacle of myself.
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
You clearly don't live in LA. Worst traffic in America, people from New York complain about LA's traffic. Driving is only easy when it's not during rush hour, it's just too bad that rush hour is from 7am-8pm.
Honestly though, I love Los Angeles. I don't think I'd live anywhere else in America for too long before coming back :p |
No, I don't live there. However, I have been there both in 2004 and 2005. I drove from the San Joaquin Valley to Marina Del Rey and passed through the whole LA city limits with no hold ups, and that was mid-day. I then drove from Marina Del Rey to Ontario Mills Mall and back in a day - no problems. I then drove from Marina Del Rey to Compton, then out the north west end of the city at Venice onto California State Route 1 and again, no problems. Then the following year I drove from Laguna Beach to Long Beach, again it was easy. Then from Long Beach to Las Vegas in a day and no hold ups at all within the city limits.
Los Angeles may be a huge city, but it's well spread out, the roads are generally wide and the grid system is simple. Try driving in Algiers, Kiev, Istanbul, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Marrakech, Casablanca or Beijing and then tell me LA's traffic is bad. |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
No, I don't live there. However, I have been there both in 2004 and 2005. I drove from the San Joaquin Valley to Marina Del Rey and passed through the whole LA city limits with no hold ups, and that was mid-day. I then drove from Marina Del Rey to Ontario Mills Mall and back in a day - no problems. I then drove from Marina Del Rey to Compton, then out the north west end of the city at Venice onto California State Route 1 and again, no problems. Then the following year I drove from Laguna Beach to Long Beach, again it was easy. Then from Long Beach to Las Vegas in a day and no hold ups at all within the city limits.
Los Angeles may be a huge city, but it's well spread out, the roads are generally wide and the grid system is simple. Try driving in Algiers, Kiev, Istanbul, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Marrakech, Casablanca or Beijing and then tell me LA's traffic is bad. |
There's no possible way you had "no problems" driving from LA county to the Inland Empire. You are so full of I don't know where to begin :stongue: |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
There's no possible way you had "no problems" driving from LA county to the Inland Empire. You are so full of I don't know where to begin :stongue: |
Wow, what a pathetic response. I'm speaking from personal experience - I told you the routes I drove and all you can come up with is a childish personal attack on me and a stubborn denial of facts.
I have been there. I did it. I like it how you also ignore my comparisons of the traffic situation to that of many cities in other parts of the world, so obviously you have no concept of what traffic is like elsewhere in the world so are in no position to even talk in this subject. |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
Wow, what a pathetic response. |
Really? I live here, I drive here every day and have been for 10 years. I think I know what I'm talking about.
What does the state of our infrastructure have to do with anything? I've driven through Cairo where there's 4 painted lanes and anywhere between 5 and 7 ACTUAL lanes and the traffic STILL isn't that bad. Just because our freeways/roads are easy to figure out doesn't mean traffic is easy. It's gridlock for about 4-6 hours a day during the week, even worse during the summer when everyone's trying to get to the beach and no one's in school. |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
why? |
no jobs, nobody who works here can afford to live here.
no real night life...no culture etc.. |
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| Schadenfreude |
see what i started?:D
kill smash destroy...go bas! |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
Really? I live here, I drive here every day and have been for 10 years. I think I know what I'm talking about.
What does the state of our infrastructure have to do with anything? I've driven through Cairo where there's 4 painted lanes and anywhere between 5 and 7 ACTUAL lanes and the traffic STILL isn't that bad. Just because our freeways/roads are easy to figure out doesn't mean traffic is easy. It's gridlock for about 4-6 hours a day during the week, even worse during the summer when everyone's trying to get to the beach and no one's in school. |
Yes, it was a pathetic response as you just dismissed what I said and attacked me.
I've never been in Cairo, but I find it hard to imagine that the traffic could be better than LA. Infrastructure and quality of driving standards does everything lot to do with it. Here in Algeria the driving standards are awful, and the roads aren't accommodated to the amount of traffic on them so there's constant hold ups, and people have a tendency to make their own lanes and push their way to the front of queues which causes even more problems.
From what I saw, the the highways I drove on in LA seemed quite well accommodated to the amount of traffic and it seemed to move at a fairly consistent pace. I remember some minor hold ups on the first journey into LA around Culver City, but nothing huge. I was only there only 6 days in all, so maybe I was just lucky. However, that was late June/early July so I would have to have been extremely lucky.
I had read lots of dire warnings about traffic in LA and was prepared for the worst, but I found it extremely easy in contrast to here and many other places. LA County has a huge population, but it's spread out and the population density is low compared to many other cities.
Of course that was 5 years ago, but I see no good reason why things would be any different now. |
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| Schadenfreude |
| of course it will take longer by camel silly. |
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| eckmek |
yea i love Copenhagen :)
You should all come here and experience the awesomeness. I haven't found i anywhere else, except Berlin which is about equally as awesome. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by eckmek
yea i love Copenhagen :)
You should all come here and experience the awesomeness. I haven't found i anywhere else, except Berlin which is about equally as awesome. |
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