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New ban! Starting Aug 1, 21 and under cannot have ANY alcohol in blood while driving! (pg. 3)
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| doesn't bother me at all. 19 and 20 year olds are still very mature... I'm sure most people would agree that at that age they still did all the stupid they did when they were a teen. |
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| magikb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prometheus Xex
Your wish may come sooner than you think.
Mark my words, it's going to happen. I'll bet within five years. |
It is because so many people young and old are irresponsible with drinking and driving that this will most likely be what happens.
What I don't understand is when you live in a larger city that has buses running almost all night long, why do you even need to drive to begin with? I am in Kitchener and have started taking the bus places when I know I will be drinking. The buses stop running here around 12:30am though and the cab ride home sucks, but my and others lives and my license mean more to me.
As far as this law, it doesn't really bother me all that much. I was honestly not that responsible when I was 20. I still acted like I did when I was a teenager and I know lots of others who have as well. Yeah it takes away some freedom for this age group, but I don't necessarily agree that it is a horrible law to have in place. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
doesn't bother me at all. 19 and 20 year olds are still very mature... I'm sure most people would agree that at that age they still did all the stupid they did when they were a teen. |
I find it funny that they're mature enough to drive and mature enough to drink but the government doesn't think they are mature enough to make the right choices when you combine the two.
If you are going to implement something like this it should be for everyone and not just a certain age group. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
There was no top-less law that was re-instated. An Ontario court ruled that one woman's actions (being top-less walking down the street) did not violate the community standard of tolerance for one particular community (a town in Guelph, I believe). Because all communities have unique community standards of tolerance, each and every case needs to be judged on its own merit. |
All areas of Ontario, unless otherwise specified by town or city by-laws, allow both males and females to be topless in public. |
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| VDub |
This is a stupid law...
Change the drinking age to 21...
That one's better... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
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I think its a good idea what the government did with regards to this issue. There are way too many bad young drivers out there, and other people pay the price. Today's youth, no offense, is less mature and less responsible. Ban of alcohol is for their own good - its not that big of a deal. People shouldn't drink and drive anyway, even in small amounts IMO. Because that encourages unsafe driving. |
there are way too many bad drivers of any age! So how do we teach people to moderate if we take away all means to do so? As i said, perhaps we need 100% zero tolerance, but i wont accept that unless our way of looking at alcohol in ontario and canada is completely overhauled. Lets treat adults like human beings who are capable of making decisions. And lets punish bad decisions.
| quote: | | I've lost friends to drinking, one with vehicular accidents and two with alcohol poisoning (one acute, one consequential). A pregnant mother, good friend, killed in a car crash by a drunk, an overdrinking death, and a death of a friend due to cold weather, while drunk. |
I am very very sorry for your loss.
There is no excuse for drunk driving. Other than that though, people who are adults are responsible for their own actions and the consequences for their actions. I too have had losses in my family due to drinking and driving. Its inexcusable. I do agree with the intent of this law. But, that alone does not make this law just.
| quote: | | As a DJ, I've witnessed many cases of young drunk people driving home, surprising how many didn't end up in an accident. I've seen and read many cases in the paper of young people paying the price for alcohol abuse, almost weekly articles in the paper. |
If this law does have an effect, i think it will only be because more people stay home. That means your dj career will be affected. If the current laws and enforcement for drunk driving isnt convincing, i fail to see how this will be. All this law will do is delay decision making skills development.
| quote: | | When it comes to responsibility, laws need to be tightened. The new generation of young people don't know much about responsibility, no offense. They don't teach qualities like that in school, I am afraid. And parents don't do much parenting anymore. |
I AGREE!!!! And its because we have taken away so many situations that used to allow and teach young people to be responsible! MAKING LAWS LIKE THIS THAT MAKE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE ARE EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM!
The government now acts as parent and teacher but instead of teaching they just say "do it this way because i told you so!" |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
This is a stupid law...
Change the drinking age to 21...
That one's better... |
You ever wonder why american young adults often come off as way more immature than canadian esp at a club?
21 drinking age, thats why |
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| TrAnCeiN4LiFe |
i thought this was came to law a while back...
p.s for all you who said McGunity this McGunity that... you voted for him not me :D |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCeiN4LiFe
i thought this was came to law a while back...
p.s for all you who said McGunity this McGunity that... you voted for him not me :D |
i never did once... PC both times! |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
Actually. although "technically" the law is .08......if you are pulled over with .05 or higher you automatically get a fine and get your license suspended (first time 3 days, second time 7 days, third time 30 days). This came into effect last summer and replaced the old 12 hour suspensions. You cannot argue or dispute this fine/suspension in any way.
This, I think is absolute BS!!!! If I'm driving while within my legal right here in Ontario and blow over .05 (not against the law!) my license gets suspended AND I get a fine AND I have no recourse whatsoever in deputing that. Although, if I break the law and blow over .08 at least I have a right to a fair trial and can defend myself in court and dispute the charge. I honestly cant believe that in Canada they can impose such a penalty without allowing you to AT LEAST be able to dispute the accusation. Even our parking tickets are disputable.
Anyway, although this law seems quite restrictive I do see the value in this being put in place. Most drivers can't have any alcohol in their blood till they are a full G license anyway, and I think teaching younger adults to not drive with any booze in their system is a good thing. It only takes a couple drinks to get over the limit so drivers should just learn to not drink and this will help them learn that sort of thinking.
P.S. Are you aware that for most people two drinks will put you over the legal limit? I was surprised to find this out myself but it's true. I always thought that it was one drink per hour to be save but this isn't true either, it takes two hours to get rid of a single drink. |
i agree |
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| Jer |
| quote: | Originally posted by I_Am_Vince
They don't think 'older children' are responsible for controlling their alcohol levels, yet they are allowed to vote which is one of the most powerful right as an adult citizen. |
While I understand what you're saying, it takes a couple thousand kids to elect an idiot and only one kid to kill a family of four because he had some dumb bitch pouring vodka down his throat all night.
- Bring the drinking age to 21.
- Set the legal limit at 0.05 BAC.
- Enforce the f*ck out of those laws.
You had better believe that things'll shape up, and right f*cking promptly. |
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| Jer |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
If I'm driving while within my legal right here in Ontario and blow over .05 (not against the law!) my license gets suspended AND I get a fine AND I have no recourse whatsoever in deputing that. |
Let me be loud and clear when I say that you do not have that right. If you're at or above the allowed BAC and your ability to drive is affected, you should not be operating a motor vehicle. While it's a shame that such laws have to exist, it's to give law enforcement the authority and justifiable cause. I'm awfully certain I can drive perfectly fine at a 0.07 or 0.08 BAC, but I'm fairly confident a whole goddamned mess of Ontario drivers cannot. |
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