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Cats and Dogs in China - WTF Story of the Day (pg. 6)
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| quote: | Originally posted by ********
why is that, they've been pretty good so far. The key is to get ones that die within a day or so. No maggots etc...
Also the stiffness of the animal is key in determining length of time they have been dead.
Flies around them ect.. is a clear give away.
Lookig for any signs of desease rabies etc.. is also important.. but otherwise it is all good.
Arguably it is safer than mushroom hunting.
None the less you are an idiot if you think you have a higher chance of getting a diseased animal that is dead than one you kill.. live animals can be diseased too.
Domestic animals are pumped full of chemicals.
There is no win win.
People risk samonila and worse from supermarket foods. Refridgeration questions, etc.. |
Classic Ashley. |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Keep at it. If it works for you, don't stop. Bubonic Plague, Rabies, Hepatitis, Tuberculosis, Cholera; many animals carry these diseases but they certainly don't always die from them and even if they do - it's perfectly natural.
*Awaits ******** tape-worm medical advice (flamebait) thread.* |
living animals can have those conditions too moran. (they can also slip into the food supply of domestic animals)
As stated above you test these for these things before eating the animal - some can be easily tested some are mostly redundant.
the wonders of HGH only one of the chemicals grown into your food altering your natural homeostasis.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/huma...de-effects.html
http://www.copperwiki.org/index.php...ormones_in_Food
There are potential risks with everything you eat. Reduce risks as you may. I don't see a reason to let perfectly good meat go to waste, especially if it is free. I don't feel the need to kill animals to survive though. No harm done.
People like PKC are either misinformed, unreasonably biased, or overly paranoid. Wild animal game is perfectly fine to eat as compared to commercial foods if you screen it. It is actually fresher and healthier. (With less chance of industrial contamination)
Animals that free range have a wider diet selection and eat natural foods that can have lots of extra percs that regiment foods give animals.
It is a little like the difference between common field mushrooms or wild mushrooms.. wild mushrooms can have a lot of good things commercial mushrooms don't have.
Another example of how we react to source foods.. for example whole milk my stomach absolutely loves, processed milks and dairy my stomach doeesn't like. I can eat both of them but I feel 120% better with the whole milk. You can not only taste the difference between whole and processed foods but you feel it too. Food is food and you have what you have.. however don't knock it till you've tried it. No need to try it but don't knock it if you have absolutely no freaken idea about it. |
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| Moral Hazard |
Indeed, they can slip into the food supply; however, the probability is much lower due to things like vetrinary care for live stock, proper living conditions, proper nutrition, antibiotics, proper slaughter, proper packing, food inspections, etc. Oddly enough, there is no such controls in place when you grill up an animal you find dead in the forest next to a wild mushroom, laptop, and dime bage of weed. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Wild animal game is perfectly fine to eat as compared to commercial foods if you screen it. It is actually fresher and healtier. |
Game is very different from scavanged carcasses. |
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| EddieZilker |
You're the expert, here, washley and if you said that I implied animals don't live with those diseases, then perhaps, somewhat foolishly, I have misread my own writing and am truly the moranic plebe suffering under the weight of your gargantuan intellect.
I didn't mean to challenge you. Please accept my sincerest apologies. You have the sagacity of a vulture. Please, refrain from plucking out my eyes.
EDIT: Not nearly enough coffee. |
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| david.michael |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Indeed, they can slip into the food supply; however, the probability is much lower due to things like vetrinary care for live stock, proper living conditions, proper nutrition, antibiotics, proper slaughter, proper packing, food inspections, etc. Oddly enough, there is no such controls in place when you grill up an animal you find dead in the forest next to a wild mushroom, laptop, and dime bage of weed. |
No you are the control if you boil meat found in the wild! Personally I trust myself before companies that do recalls now and then - AFTER products ship.
You are adding this element of gross irresponsibility that shouldn't exist in reasonable people who find animals or mushrooms in the woods. You are implying a mindless chowdown. Research the stuff and exercise caution. If you can't think or be responsible I suggest you not try it MoralHazard.
I guess you have this sense of absolute food security that doesn't exist in the real world.
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english...recaltoce.shtml
And these are the ones they have found -- think of this in terms of crimes commited and have come to justice.... in Canada? Have you seen someone break the law and them get away with it. Apply that concept to food safety now. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
No you are the control if you boil meat found in the wild! |
While boiling and/or thorough cooking will kill most to all bacteria it has no effect on many of the toxins generated by said bacteria.
| quote: | | If you can't think or be responsible I suggest you not try it MoralHazard. |
By avoiding the entirely unncessary risk of eating animals found dead by unknown means I am being responsible, no?
| quote: | I guess you have this sense of absolute food security that doesn't exist in the real world.
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Not at all, I just believe in sound risk management principles. The reward (free meat) of eating things I find dead somewhere simply isn't worth the risks involved in said activity, which are much higher then the risks of consuming commercially produced meat. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
While boiling and/or thorough cooking will kill most to all bacteria it has no effect on many of the toxins generated by said bacteria.
By avoiding the entirely unncessary risk of eating animals found dead by unknown means I am being responsible, no?
Not at all, I just believe in sound risk management principles. The reward (free meat) of eating things I find dead somewhere simply isn't worth the risks involved in said activity, which are much higher then the risks of consuming commercially produced meat. |
You would have him kill his prey with his air-soft rifle which shoots home-made ricin pellets? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You would have him kill his prey with his air-soft rifle which shoots home-made ricin pellets? |
Not so sure ricin would be a safe bet. I (and by "I" I mean Mrs. Hazard) tend to do my hunting at the local organic butcher or supermarket. To me that seems the best way to go about it. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Not so sure ricin would be a safe bet. I (and by "I" I mean Mrs. Hazard) tend to do my hunting at the local organic butcher or supermarket. To me that seems the best way to go about it. |
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...16&pagenumber=8
Scroll down to the first post where I quote ********. It's another one of his ideas. |
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