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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Here's a tip: work hard and be successful so you don't have to be stuck on the dole. Anyone can do it. Where would "the common man's" plethora of benefits/entitlements be if not for the evil money makers? |
Not anyone can do it? There is still racism and other issues that cause whole sectors of the population to under-developed.
Just saying anyone can do it doesn't make it true. You also have the disabled, mentally ill, sick, and many other classes of people that are unable to provide for themselves.
Nazis just gassed those people though, you aren't that extreme I imagine? |
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| couch-potato |
| For 's sake Kevin. |
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| The17sss |
shut the up with the racial injustices... lol. There are a ton of people in positions they don't deserve to be in specifically because they're black or latino.
don't take "anyone" too literal... of course there are disabled and mentally ill that can't. I am 100% in favor of giving assistance to anyone who truly can't help themselves. However, I firmly believe that if you're able bodied, you don't deserve 150 weeks of unemployment checks. That is some ing horse. The vast majority of people, if they apply themselves, can make something of their lives with the opportunities available in this country. |
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| Moongoose |
Oh good are you hiring? Because the last I heard the ratio of job seekers to job opening is still about 3:1 if not more.
Also, i can somewhat understand not wanting to throw unknown amounts of money into a problem, that you people want everything to be paid for...Why insist on the tax cuts then that are not paid for and will require another heavy round of borrowing? See its these inconsistencies that makes everyone think that the republicans are ing evil bastards.
Oh and the arizona republican death panels of course, but thats such a dead giveaway to the core of evil that im ashamed to even bring it up in a post of mild allegations. |
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| Lews |
Kevin you can be really stupid sometimes. You think the millions of people don't want jobs? You think it's insanely easy to find one? You think everyone is born equal and can work as hard as others and come out successful? I'm not even going to comment on your thing about racial injustice.
I like you dude, honestly I do, but you are so ing privileged and don't even realize it that you come across as a complete douche a lot of the time. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Here's a tip: work hard and be successful so you don't have to be stuck on the dole. Anyone can do it. Where would "the common man's" plethora of benefits/entitlements be if not for the evil money makers? |
You talk about choice as if everyone has the same ability to do so, able bodied or not. There are always forces acting upon one's ability to choose (to get a job, to keep a job, to get educated, to seize opportunities, etc.). It's not as simple as "Just get out there and apply yourself man!".
I believe anyone can do whatever they want if they apply themselves as well - unfortunately a large majority of people do not have the support or resources to be able to do so. That's a straight fact. If you don't think there are economic/political/ideological/social - hell, even environmental - forces that blatantly put most people at a disadvantage, you're insane. :p |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Kevin you can be really stupid sometimes. You think the millions of people don't want jobs? You think it's insanely easy to find one? You think everyone is born equal and can work as hard as others and come out successful? I'm not even going to comment on your thing about racial injustice.
I like you dude, honestly I do, but you are so ing privileged and don't even realize it that you come across as a complete douche a lot of the time. |
This +1. |
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| igottaknow |
| I'm on Kev side on this one.... Sike! |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Kevin you can be really stupid sometimes. You think the millions of people don't want jobs? You think it's insanely easy to find one? You think everyone is born equal and can work as hard as others and come out successful? I'm not even going to comment on your thing about racial injustice.
I like you dude, honestly I do, but you are so ing privileged and don't even realize it that you come across as a complete douche a lot of the time. |
What I do know is that the longer people are given handouts, the less likely they are to apply themselves. It's human nature man; a cycle of dependency is perpetuated. What, you think 3 years of unemployment checks is reasonable and is more apt to lead to self reliance? You're a simple minded fool if you ascribe to such notions. Look what's happening in Europe right now... people in Greece were burning down and rioting in the street because, wait for it... they were being asked to retire at 52 instead of 50, and have their number of weekly paychecks dropped from 54 to 52 (that's right- they were receiving 54 weekly paychecks with 52 weeks in a year).
You're what, 20 years old? You don't know about how the real world works so forgive me if I take your comments with a grain of salt. You also don't know about me- the last ing thing I am is privileged. My success is born from hard work, and I didn't become successful until I hit age 30.
Jenny- I'm not naive; I know that a lot of people are put at a disadvantage. But they are afforded more opportunities here than anywhere for upward mobility despite their socioeconomic woes. Just think if everyone at least had the attitude to try, rather than take part of self defeating behavior and playing the "victim of circumstance" card.
Mongoose- wtf are you talking about with tax cuts? |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Jenny- I'm not naive; I know that a lot of people are put at a disadvantage. But they are afforded more opportunities here than anywhere for upward mobility despite their socioeconomic woes. Just think if everyone at least had the attitude to try, rather than take part of self defeating behavior and playing the "victim of circumstance" card.
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Where do you get the idea that all disadvantaged people share that attitude? For real - where did you learn it? Sure, there will always be people who take advantage of the system...but to say that the reason people cannot attain success is because they're playing the victim card is ridiculous.
I'm not trying to insult you, but it's obvious you lack true insight into why the disadvantaged are disadvantaged. The whole ideology of choice notion is flying right over your head. Don't say it's not, because if you got it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
Where do you get the idea that all disadvantaged people share that attitude? For real - where did you learn it? Sure, there will always be people who take advantage of the system...but to say that the reason people cannot attain success is because they're playing the victim card is ridiculous. |
Straw man. Show me where I said "all disadvantaged people" share that attitude? Nor did I say that was the (sole) reason people cannot attain success. It is a fact that the longer people get used to handouts, unemployment, welfare- whatever you want to call it- the less likely they are to shed said welfare and become self reliant. It's not some crazy idea I'm throwing out there. I know a large portion of them want to work because it is much more rewarding. All I'm saying is, imagine if everyone rejected the handout addiction and had the same type A personality you have? That would ultimately lead to a less dependent populace among those addicted to the government dole.
| quote: | | I'm not trying to insult you, but it's obvious you lack true insight into why the disadvantaged are disadvantaged. The whole ideology of choice notion is flying right over your head. Don't say it's not, because if you got it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. |
I'm not insulted, because you're not understanding me. I understand very well why disadvantaged people are disadvantaged. And I'm not painting all "disadvantaged" with the same brush- there are millions of variables for millions of types depending on the situation. I don't have the desire to write a 30 page Sociology paper explaining it. But trust me, it's not going over my head. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Straw man. Show me where I said "all disadvantaged people" share that attitude? Nor did I say that was the (sole) reason people cannot attain success. |
You said "If everyone just had the attitude...."
How was I meant to interpret that then? :p |
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