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| Omega_Blue |
| totally unrelated, but our newly elected idiot republican governor just screwed wisconsin and the rest of the midwest out of a new high-speed rail system- the money promised to us was instead dispersed to other states instead. FFFFFFUUUUUUU- |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
You said "If everyone just had the attitude...."
How was I meant to interpret that then? :p |
haha... I see how you took it the way you did now. Yeah I was saying that if all disadvantaged people had the right attitude, ultimately dependence as a whole would decrease. Not all of them have that defeatist or lazy attitude to begin with of course, so by default I wasn't talking about that portion of the disadvantaged. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Yeah I was saying that if all disadvantaged people had the right attitude, ultimately dependence as a whole would decrease. |
So you really think it's as simple as an attitude change? Really??? |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
So you really think it's as simple as an attitude change? Really??? |
Uh, no. But it would be a good starting point. lol why are you taking everything so literal? An actual attitude change like that, especially among those who have grown up in a culture of dependency and truly have feelings of little (if any) self worth/self esteem, would probably take a couple of years of some quality behavior modification therapy (which they probably can't afford) to unlearn such defeating behaviors/attitudes/habits before being able to start turning it around. It's no easy task- but there are ways :) |
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| ziptnf |
I'm not sure it's so wise to generalize like that. I'm sure there are millions of disadvantaged people who have the right attitude, but got dealt a bad hand. So you're basically saying "sucks for them, work harder"? And how does that relate to the original topic? Why are the emergency medical workers on the scene at 9/11 NOT allowed compensation for their contracted illnesses?
Meanwhile, we'll spend another $80,000 on a javelin that gets fired by a guy who doesn't make that in a year, at a guy who doesn't make that in a lifetime. Our political system definitely has its priorities straight. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I believe there are of course people who justifiably rely on government aid because they have kids, or other debilitating physical illnesses. :p
But the anecdotal evidence I have is quite contrary. I've known a couple-uh-few people who have either been fired for their jobs for truly doing something extremely stupid, or have actually taken steps to quit their jobs and then immediately gone onto assistance, so they can take several months off, playing video games and doing the bare minimum to appear as though they are actively seeking employment. It's detestable.
And then there's government assistance for pregnancy... a procedure, some drugs, a week in the hospital, that can easily rack up to $20,000 in expenses. Oh, you don't have the money to pay for it? You can't afford the consequences for getting knocked up while you were drunk? Let the taxpayers cover things, I'm sure this child is bound to be quite the little investment!
I like to think my personal experience with these sorts of people is not truly representative of people as a whole, and I have actually known a few people in truly dire straits before... only about half as many as I have people who were for real lazy heads, though. Unemployment benefits simply need better policing, I'm sure it would end up paying for itself from almost any given state's perspective. In any case, I'd much rather pay for people in my country to be lazy than I would for the worldwide dispersal of various "defensive deployments", but whatareyagonnado. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
So you're basically saying "sucks for them, work harder"? And how does that relate to the original topic? Why are the emergency medical workers on the scene at 9/11 NOT allowed compensation for their contracted illnesses? |
No, that's not AT ALL what I'm saying. And this to the other part.... :
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Ok I've done a little research. Some good arguments against passing this bill- for example, it is for a total of $7.4 billion, but nobody has any actual idea what the true costs will be, and want those figures cleared up before allocating that much money. That sounds reasonable, considering it's basically a slush fund that would give $1 million to 74,000 people... people who already have received millions of dollars. Where does it end? The construction companies who held contracts carried insurance and that's who should pay, not the taxpayer. Something reeks of ulterior political motives here but I can't put my finger on it. |
the GOP will bring the bill back up for a vote when they can produce actual numbers of the true costs. very reasonable. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Yeah it's not a perfect system, but it's far, far better to have these structures in place than to not have them at all. The fact of the matter is that disadvantaged people are a drain on society in either situation - but they are actually an even greater drain without the opportunity rise out of it. What do you suppose the outcome would be if everyone was just left to fend for themselves? What would be the consequences of just leaving millions of jobless, uneducated, homeless, etc. people on their own? Do you not think that the "trickle down effect" works both ways? Because it does. Their problems ARE our problems, even if we're not directly involved in their lives. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Meanwhile, we'll spend another $80,000 on a javelin that gets fired by a guy who doesn't make that in a year, at a guy who doesn't make that in a lifetime. Our political system definitely has its priorities straight. |
Yea but thats cool looking. :p
TBH I'd rather the government give me an $80,000 missile than give that money to a poor person... :p |
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| Lews |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The17sss
You also don't know about me- the last ing thing I am is privileged. My success is born from hard work, and I didn't become successful until I hit age 30.
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You are white and male, correct? And living in America? You're privileged like a mother****** and you don't even know it. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
Yeah it's not a perfect system, but it's far, far better to have these structures in place than to not have them at all. The fact of the matter is that disadvantaged people are a drain on society in either situation - but they are actually an even greater drain without the opportunity rise out of it. What do you suppose the outcome would be if everyone was just left to fend for themselves? What would be the consequences of just leaving millions of jobless, uneducated, homeless, etc. people on their own? Do you not think that the "trickle down effect" works both ways? Because it does. Their problems ARE our problems, even if we're not directly involved in their lives. |
Total agreement here. Further, I'd say that an overhwhelming majority of petty crime and hard drug abuse stems directly from people who think they have little else in life left for them. They have no opportunities, and things are going nowhere. It's a black hole, and it's rare than anyone gets out of it intact - if we had a more robust economy, and centralized opportunity for people that didn't involve either sitting around, waiting for one's next Gov cheque - or joining the military to merely propagate unbridled spending - I think that the social impact would be adequately as immense as reform, enough to cut the demand for things like police forces, a war on drugs, and of course, unemployment spending. Easier said than done, naturally, but if the choices of our lawmakers continue to factor in only the rights of multinational corporations and furthering the fascist state of things, I don't think that individual consideration is going to go beyond an average in somebody's spreadsheet. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The17sss
You also don't know about me- the last ing thing I am is privileged. My success is born from hard work, and I didn't become successful until I hit age 30.
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You are white and male, correct? And living in America? You're privileged like a mother****** and you don't even know it. |
And I bet his mother (or father) never had to go to a food bank or soup kitchen while he was growing up. Unless they did, in which case I must admit I quite enjoy the taste of my own foot. :o |
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