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Mac: Buyer's remorse? (pg. 2)
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| ReclusNdangrmnt |
| I just bought a MBP myself, back in September...Really could care less about SSD and Lightpeak, because while SSD is cool, it's just way too expensive for what you get, and with Lightpeak it will be more time yet until it is fully integrated into the market, if indeed it makes it at all as someone mentioned above. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
For s sake. I have been banging on about this for weeks (if not months now). I'm not sure, but I may have even mentioned it in your previous thread. I've tried to warn people about it. I know for sure I've mentioned it in just about every other thread Mac related on here recently.
Christ even if you ignore the posts on here I have no idea how anyone buys a mac without first visiting mac rumors to at least check the product cycles.
The simple answer, and without repeating myself, is yes, there will be a new generation of macs that will be substantially more powerful, thanks to lightpeak, better/cheaper SSD's and new processors.
I personally don't think it's going to happen until we're a few months in to 2011, but when it does, the current Mac range are going to look like the G5 generation when the Intel Macs came out.
It's basically going to be a significant leap in overall processing.
Now, having said that the MBP you have is more than enough processing power for producing, at least for a couple of years, but when the programmers catch up to the available potential of all that new processing power, the older ones are going to age even faster. For instance, Logic Pro 9 isn't G5 compatible anymore. I doubt that will happen as it's a different thing (the processors aren't changing that drastically) but you get the point. |
Well, the G5 to intel conversion was a lot bigger than a conversion to SSD would be I think, since SSD can be slotted in any old hard drive slot in a mac you already have AFAIK...
Also, don't macs only have one HD slot? I can't imagine SSD would be a goood option under those circumstances for those of us who use samples, since you'd fill it too fast and they just don't make them that big.
I just think that this whole thing with apple's gotten ridiculous. They're a power unto themselves and show no regard for maintaining compatability with pre existing hardware. As producers, this is really bad, because we constantly have to reinvest in expensive new hardware as our pre existing investments are made completely worthless.
Expresscard soundcards, FW soundcards, both of these have already fallen by the wayside. If you buy a USB card now, who's to say you'll be able to use it with your apple in 3 years? Thats a lot of money to throw away. At least with PC, I can always get the right interfaces somehow:mad: |
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| Fledz |
Idiots keep buying their overhyped, overpriced products. Why would they stop Kit?
As for buyers remorse, this isn't Apple exclusive. Electronics move so fast that there will always be something new around the corner. |
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| Seandroid |
I don't really know what to say. I mean, SURPRISE, time didn't stop because you bought a Mac? Why does it matter if something slightly better than your Mac exists if yours is more powerful than you'd ever need it to be anyway?
I bought a quad core 27" i7 iMac for production and It's so ing powerful I shouldn't need another computer for a long, long time, and I purchased it aware that it was going to be obsolete in a year....
I mean, sure, it's nice having the latest and greatest but unless you really want to be broke constantly then it's better to learn to just be content with what you have, especially considering that machine you have right now is ing fantastic.
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Well, the G5 to intel conversion was a lot bigger than a conversion to SSD would be I think, since SSD can be slotted in any old hard drive slot in a mac you already have AFAIK...
Also, don't macs only have one HD slot? I can't imagine SSD would be a goood option under those circumstances for those of us who use samples, since you'd fill it too fast and they just don't make them that big.
I just think that this whole thing with apple's gotten ridiculous. They're a power unto themselves and show no regard for maintaining compatability with pre existing hardware. As producers, this is really bad, because we constantly have to reinvest in expensive new hardware as our pre existing investments are made completely worthless.
Expresscard soundcards, FW soundcards, both of these have already fallen by the wayside. If you buy a USB card now, who's to say you'll be able to use it with your apple in 3 years? Thats a lot of money to throw away. At least with PC, I can always get the right interfaces somehow:mad: |
What you see as a flaw is one of Apple's best qualities. They disregard old hardware intentionally, it pushes technology forward. They were the first to get rid of the floppy disks on their iMacs and one of the first to introduce USB technologies into their machines, and now they're just doing the natural progression. This is why Mac OS X is clean and efficient, iWork is speedy and light and WIndows is bloated and obnoxious and Office has so many pointless features that nobody uses it's impossible to find anything because its buried underneath a mess of crap. If you want legacy support than go by a Windows machine with XP and be stuck in the past.
Apple isn't stupid, though, they know that the MacBook Pros are for PRO USERS, and they will not swap their HDDs for SSDs any time soon until it's financially viable to have similar capacities. Apple WILL, however, do what they're doing with the MacBook Air and using flash sticks for hard drive storage similar to how they do in an iPod. THIS will hold the operating system and some applications and components that actually have something to do with the speed of your computer, then the actual file storage will happen on the optical drive.
And FYI Apple still includes Firewire 800 on every MacBook Pro and there's an express card slot on the 17". |
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| Specimen303 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
blah blah blah ... and WIndows is bloated and obnoxious and Office has so many pointless features that nobody uses it's impossible to find anything because its buried underneath a mess of crap. If you want legacy support than go by a Windows machine with XP and be stuck in the past. |
Why the hell do you fanboys always have to dis windows. If you don't know how or want to use it then don't it's your choice. If you don't want bloatware that comes with your pc then download windows from microsoft site and don't install pointless crap that comes with your pc (not windows' fault).
There are many different versions of office. Some of these versions are for corporate use which have features that are useless in home use - don't install them. If you don't know what features you need or want to use then read the installation manual.
XP is outdated compared to newest osx but Win7 isn't and so far Win7 has been great. I only have iMac because of logic. So far I haven't witnessed any godgiven features in my mac that are better than they are in my pc/windows. Both systems are great. There's always room for improvement in both.
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As for the topic: If you always keep waiting for better and better you end up losing time and you don't get anything done. Buy what they offer now and I promise it will work just fine for next 2-3 years and by that time there will be more product's that will support the upcoming upgrades and then there's actually reason why to buy better/newer computer. |
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| Fledz |
It's tall poppy syndrome Specimen.
As for Pro Users using MBPs, err....last time I checked Apples main customers are people who couldn't even come up with a reason as to why they bought one apart from "it's cool" or "I heard it gets less viruses". Let's not beat around the bush here.
Are they good machines? Yes.
Are they superior? Not even remotely.
People need to get off the Apple bandwagon already and buy what suits them and theirs needs, as well as their budget. Instead of buying into hype, trends and outdated rubbish about other OS'.
For s sake though. I'm ashamed of myself and the rest of us here too. Again. We just can't go a week without a useless Mac vs PC thread :rolleyes: |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
WIndows is bloated and obnoxious and Office has so many pointless features that nobody uses it's impossible to find anything because its buried underneath a mess of crap. |
I loved this part. Bashing the only Microsoft that is actually very common on an Apple pc. More so used than Apple's own office package. It immediately allows one to judge te relevance and bias in this post. None and a lot respectively.
If I wasn't such a windows nerd I'd probably have an Apple myself, they're quite awesome. I see no reason to switch though. I'm good with what I've got. If at some point I will have some extra cash to spend I might buy one. Logic is enough reason alone, I've fiddled with it for just a while but it was so darn intuitive and powerful, just incredible. The only thing about Apple I really disgust is their privacy policy. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Logic is enough reason alone, I've fiddled with it for just a while but it was so darn intuitive and powerful, just incredible. |
THIS. Here comes Fledz with more passive-agressive drivel and closeted Apple envy, packaged in a "Buh buh buh but HACKINTOSH!" argument.
This isn't a mac vs pc, dawg. Relax already, the cold war is blurry these days. They all have mostly the same guts now. Os is the only differentiator. And speaking of windows...
Went to RME site few days ago from win xp, clicked on DEALERS link, and got a nice popup that bloodhound trojan was intercepted by my av. Tried from another box - same thing. Try it, see if it is still there. So, there's something to be said about that. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
You're missing the point - lightpeak IS the solution for that. It's not just a form of connectivity for external devices, it will replace the bus and most internal data transfer operations. It's what they're looking to as the next step in overall system performance.
Whether it makes it or not is another matter. |
It was nice when fsb became less of a bottleneck with lower multipliers, as ram speed caught up. Optimally, at some point I wouldn't be too surised if all these components became integrated on a chip. I recall reading an article ages ago about holographic storage that ibm was working on. A sugar cube sized drive could store tbs of data, working at the speed of cpu. Imagine ther was no latency? And all this is moving that way. Insane! :) |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
I don't really know what to say. I mean, SURPRISE, time didn't stop because you bought a Mac? Why does it matter if something slightly better than your Mac exists if yours is more powerful than you'd ever need it to be anyway?
I bought a quad core 27" i7 iMac for production and It's so ing powerful I shouldn't need another computer for a long, long time, and I purchased it aware that it was going to be obsolete in a year....
I mean, sure, it's nice having the latest and greatest but unless you really want to be broke constantly then it's better to learn to just be content with what you have, especially considering that machine you have right now is ing fantastic.
What you see as a flaw is one of Apple's best qualities. They disregard old hardware intentionally, it pushes technology forward. They were the first to get rid of the floppy disks on their iMacs and one of the first to introduce USB technologies into their machines, and now they're just doing the natural progression. This is why Mac OS X is clean and efficient, iWork is speedy and light and WIndows is bloated and obnoxious and Office has so many pointless features that nobody uses it's impossible to find anything because its buried underneath a mess of crap. If you want legacy support than go by a Windows machine with XP and be stuck in the past.
Apple isn't stupid, though, they know that the MacBook Pros are for PRO USERS, and they will not swap their HDDs for SSDs any time soon until it's financially viable to have similar capacities. Apple WILL, however, do what they're doing with the MacBook Air and using flash sticks for hard drive storage similar to how they do in an iPod. THIS will hold the operating system and some applications and components that actually have something to do with the speed of your computer, then the actual file storage will happen on the optical drive.
And FYI Apple still includes Firewire 800 on every MacBook Pro and there's an express card slot on the 17". |
Haha, are you talking about useless features such as VBA in office which iWorks can only dream about :rolleyes: |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
As some of you know, I just picked up a 17" MBP about 10 days ago. Well, lo and behold - immediately thereafter I start hearing rumors that a new MBP is coming in April. It supposedly will have Lightpeak, SSD, write epic trance all by itself and shoot unicorn crap out of all it's expansion slots and sockets.
And talk about double-meaning:
Product: MacBook Pro
Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon *
Last Release: April 13, 2010
Days Since Update: 247 (Avg = 208)
Notes * The 15-inch and 17-inch MacBook Pro received a new build-to-order option for a 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 processor on October 20th, 2010. The new option does not constitute a full update to the MacBook Pro line, but does suggest that a more substantial update to the full MacBook Pro lineup is not imminent.
source: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
I hate to spend so much money for a machine that will be significantly overhauled in a next iteration. It's one thing when CPU gets bumped up, that doesn't kill the price that much. But when a whole new internal architecture is introduced - last gens become significantly cheaper and drop their resale value.
Just ask those poor souls who bought PowerPC-based Macs shortly before Intel-based line was introduced.
So... should I stay or should I go? Plus... I'm seriously pondering whether it was a worth-while investment, considering I can get a better spec'd Quad Core ASUS for nearly 1/3 of the cost.
I know. Fail is me. Thoughts? |
Well, don't bother with it. There are no lightpeak based audio interfaces ( yet ). And the rumor is that the MBP will only feature the Dual core Sandy Bridge CPU. ( so probably only 10-20% increase in CPU power over the current model )
If you really want the new Sandy Bridge MBP and you bought your MBP in the Apple store, return it now. Don't wait for tomorrow, because you got only 4 days to return your unit and get a refund. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
It's tall poppy syndrome Specimen.
As for Pro Users using MBPs, err....last time I checked Apples main customers are people who couldn't even come up with a reason as to why they bought one apart from "it's cool" or "I heard it gets less viruses". Let's not beat around the bush here.
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Why do you give a ? You're the one making it mac vs pc, when convo is mostly about this gen of mbps or next one?
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Are they good machines? Yes.
Are they superior? Not even remotely.
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Again, that's, like, your opinion, man. I happen to like finer things in life. Just because you can't afford them, doesn't make them less desirable or superior.
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People need to... buy what suits them and theirs needs, as well as their budget. Instead of buying into hype, trends and outdated rubbish about other OS'. |
See, still makes sense without bringing in your obvious apple envy. I bought what I consider is a suitable tool. My question was whether it was purchased at the end of the run, before better option would become available.
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For s sake though. I'm ashamed of myself... Again. ...just can't go a week without trolling a Mac thread :rolleyes: |
See, still makes sense - its just you, bud. Glad I could FTFY |
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