Originally posted by The17sss
Is it really the new norm to be perfectly fine shirking individuality and personal responsibility, living with a family member as long as possible?
I weep for the future.
Till I can get my feet off the ground, yea.
Before I realized the last place I was working at was going down the tubes I was preparing to buy a house. Now thats on hold.
Capitalizt
look who just chimed in..
Moongoose
Ah, god laughs at the killings, the deaths, the murders and wants and will get more of them. But he is a loving, thoughful god that loves us all. Perfectly reasonable.
Anyway, cue angry liberal commentators
Banora
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Neighbor: Loughner's Parents Are 'Hurting' Jan 11, 2011 –
It's a simple, single-level ranch house with a yard overgrown with cactus and shrubbery, on a quiet, nondescript Tucson, Ariz., street. But inside, there's turmoil.
This is the home of Jared Loughner, charged with firing a bullet into the brain of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing six other people, including a child. The 22-year-old suspect was arrested shortly after Saturday's killings and appeared in a Phoenix court on Monday. But his parents, Randy and Amy Loughner, are still believed to be inside their home, unable to conjure up the courage to face the public. A piece of plywood blocks the gate to their home, to keep curious journalists off their front porch. The sole neighbor who's been allowed inside said the two are crying uncontrollably. Neighbors said the parents apparently have set up a wooden gate to keep out intruders from their home, which is under constant watch from the media.
"They can't talk without breaking down," neighbor Wayne Smith told Tucson TV station KVOA. "They're hurting." Smith said Randy Loughner has drafted a statement to the media, which he'll release when he feels up to it. But that could be several days, Smith said. The couple is apparently sick with grief and shame.
"It's just as bad on them as it is anybody else," Smith told KTAR-620 radio. "It wasn't them that did this heinous thing. It was an individual who's their son. "She's in really bad shape, and we're hoping we don't have to take her to the hospital," Smith continued. He didn't specify what kind of medical problem Amy Loughner has. "He's a mess, and she's worse." Smith said that while he doesn't know Randy and Amy Loughner very well, the couple let him inside their home and asked him to collect their mail on Monday so they didn't have to go outside and face a crowd of reporters. He's apparently one of the only people they knew on the block, even though they've lived there since before Jared was born.
Smith said the couple were weeping during his whole visit. "Just crying, doing their best, you know. They're hurting," Smith told KTAR-620. They were able to say little, but told Smith they have no idea why their son would shoot anyone. Randy married Amy Totman in 1986. He became a stay-at-home father after Jared was born in 1988, while Amy worked for the county, according to ABC News. Neighbors said the Loughner household became more isolated from them as Jared, an only child, grew older.
"There was times when we'd be out with other neighbor kids, and Jared wouldn't be allowed out. He'd be watching from the window or door," Rick Dahlstrom told ABC. "They all became very isolated. Randy was isolated, Amy wasn't out anymore. Something changed. They just kept to themselves."
Other neighbors described the Loughner family as quiet and withdrawn. "They liked their privacy," George Gayan, a retired mechanic who's lived next door to the Loughners for three decades, told The Wall Street Journal. Sometimes "I didn't see him for three or four days," he said, referring to Randy Loughner.
The next-door neighbor on the other side, Stephen Woods, told the newspaper he had arguments with Loughner over uncollected trash in front of their homes. At one point, Randy Loughner spotted Woods in a Wal-Mart parking lot and screamed at him, "Trash people!" Woods recalled. He described his neighbor as vituperative and hostile. Smith, who has lived across the street since 1972, told the Journal he didn't even know the family's last name until after Saturday's shootings.
It was Smith who broke the news of Saturday's rampage to the Loughners. He said the couple returned from grocery shopping, their peeling white Chevy truck loaded with bags, to find sheriff's deputies in their driveway. Police were cordoning off the property with crime scene tape. Smith had watched news of the shootings on TV and walked up to the Loughners and told them he'd heard their son was a suspect.
"She almost passed out right there," Smith told the Journal about Amy Loughner's reaction. "He sat in the road with the tape up and cried."
creepy, really.
Moongoose
Website fail
Lira
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Originally posted by Moongoose
Website fail
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MrJiveBoJingles
Why does Beck have a picture of himself carrying a pistol around like that, anyway? That looks like an attempt at "Secret Service photo op" or something. Is that how he sees himself and his role as a talk radio host? LOL.
Renegade
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Originally posted by The17sss
I actually don't think either side using target maps is despicable; for one, campaign battle metaphors have been going on for decades, everyone knows exactly what they mean and nobody takes them literally.
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Since Barack Obama took office, prominent voices on the right have called him an ally of Islamist radicals in their Grand Jihad against America, a radical Kenyan anti-colonialist, a man who pals around with terrorists and used a financial crisis to deliberately weaken America, a usurper who was born abroad and isn’t even eligible to be president, a guy who has somehow made it so that it’s okay for black kids to beat up white kids on buses, etc. I haven’t even touched on the conspiracy theories of Glenn Beck. The birthers excepted, the people making these chargers are celebrated by movement conservatives – they’re given book deals, awards, and speaking engagements.
If all of these charges were true, a radicalized citizenry would be an appropriate response. But even the conservatives who defend Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, D’Souza, McCarthy, and so many others don’t behave as if they believe all the nonsense they assert. The strongest case against these people isn’t that their rhetoric inspires political violence. It’s that they frequently utter indefensible nonsense. The problem isn’t their tone. It’s that the substance of what they’re saying is so blinkered that it isn’t even taken seriously by their ideological allies (even if they’re too cowardly, mercenary or team driven to admit as much).
They’re in a tough spot these days partly because it’s impossible for them to mount the defense of their rhetoric that is true: “I am a frivolous person, and I don’t choose my words based on their meaning. Rather, I behave like the worst caricature of a politician. If you think my rhetoric logically implies that people should behave violently, you’re mistaken – neither my audience nor my peers in the conservative movement are engaged in a logical enterprise, and it’s unfair of you to imply that people take what I say so seriously that I can be blamed for a real world event. Don’t you see that this is all a big game? This is how politics works. Stop pretending you’re not in on the joke.”
[...]
Every few years, tragically, some poor confused bastard fails to realize that it's all a big game, a pretense, a lie. He takes them seriously and he takes their words seriously and he behaves as someone who believes what they say. So Paul Hill murders a doctor in Florida. Eric Rudolph bombs the Atlanta Olympics. Scott Roeder guns down a doctor in church.
And each time this happens all of the people who have, for years, been suggesting that such violent resistance is obligatory recoil in horror at the sight of someone treating their words as anything other than the disingenuous lies they were always meant to be.
The same thing still applies; crazy s have always and will always exist in society. They aren't left or right wing, just crazy... and we'll never be able to do anything that will stop every single one of them from acting out their deranged reality in tragic fashion. Let's stop turning the perpetrators into victims with the notion that, "If only this or that were changed, we wouldn't have misguided souls killing people".
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by The17sss
*yawn*
The same thing still applies; crazy s have always and will always exist in society. They aren't left or right wing, just crazy... and we'll never be able to do anything that will stop every single one of them from acting out their deranged reality in tragic fashion. Let's stop turning the perpetrators into victims with the notion that, "If only this or that were changed, we wouldn't have misguided souls killing people".
I'm all for having my money in my pocket, but seriously kevin, the statistics speak for themselves. Had the gun laws been more restrictive this would have never happened. A schizophrenic shouldn't be allowed to purchase a gun.
Swamper
Great speech by Obama.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by The17sss
*yawn*
The same thing still applies; crazy s have always and will always exist in society. They aren't left or right wing, just crazy... and we'll never be able to do anything that will stop every single one of them from acting out their deranged reality in tragic fashion. Let's stop turning the perpetrators into victims with the notion that, "If only this or that were changed, we wouldn't have misguided souls killing people".
I hate to say this, Kevin, but I'm in agreement with you. While I think the political discourse in this country is characteristic of speech by psychopaths, I would never attribute it as a cause of this sort of rampage. While it's possible someone might, and I stress, might, hear it as validation of their warped world-view, it's certainly not the cause for a release which has a number of factors completely outside society as a whole.
