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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| im just asking about the logistics of the timeframe of the signs. Is the estimate i posted reasonable? where did this 2009 thing come from... and i havent seen that game over thing, ill check it out. |
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| enydo |
| Astrology is real, real dumb. |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
im just asking about the logistics of the timeframe of the signs. Is the estimate i posted reasonable? where did this 2009 thing come from... and i havent seen that game over thing, ill check it out. |
Basically the sidereal (or star) zodiac is based on the constellations as they are, whereas the tropical (or symbolic) zodiac uses the constellation positions as they used to be. This means that if a chart was drawn up for both of these systems using exactly the same birth information, that the planets would be in different positions (at the moment there is approximately 24 degrees difference between the two zodiacs). The tropical zodiac moves extremely slowly about 25,000 years to return to its original beginning point!
The Tropical Zodiac is the position of the sun referenced against the earth’s horizon at a particular locale which gives you the seasons as a measure of the flow of time. The framework for the seasons are the solstices and equinoxes.
The Sidereal Zodiac is the position of the sun referenced against the star background, as a measure of the flow of time. The framework for the star background is the constellations the sun passes in front of them. Like a Sun Dial. The Sidereal has a measurment of speed, I want to say I read last night that is different and moves faster than the Tropical Zodiac.
There are some exact measurements out there (but I can't find the web site) that are more precise about this subject and shows how these measurements between the two has caused the two Zodiacs to shift apart from what I understand. I'm just learning this stuff. As for the 2009 idea, from what I gather was when this shift in the two Zodiacs actually became an official observation. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
nope, still an Aries |
damn you!!! i want to be Aries again! :( By one ing day too! argh!! 27 years of my life down the drain :mad: :mad: |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
damn you!!! i want to be Aries again! :( By one ing day too! argh!! 27 years of my life down the drain :mad: :mad: |
It's your choice if you want to believe the Tropical Zodiac which would make you still an Aries or go with the earths wobble that ONLY affects the Sidereal Zodiac then you won't be an Aries.
Until, I see something I can understand that tells me the Tropical Zodiac has changed alignment with the Sidereal Zodiac, since they have been in alignment for many centuries then no one will have a choice anymore.
So don't worry unless you don't live in the Western world.
*sigh* I'm tired of witting these post that just get overlooked.
The Tropical Zodiac points to peoples personal traits while the Sidereal Zodiac points to things like agriculture events and such.
I don't know exactly how much of the Easter world is affected by this but I do know like Indonesia and below are affected. Hell, I could be wrong as I am just learning these differences.
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
It's your choice if you want to believe the Tropical Zodiac which would make you still an Aries or go with the earths wobble that ONLY affects the Sidereal Zodiac then you won't be an Aries.
Until, I see something I can understand that tells me the Tropical Zodiac has changed alignment with the Sidereal Zodiac, since they have been in alignment for many centuries then no one will have a choice anymore.
So don't worry unless you don't live in the Western world.
*sigh* I'm tired of witting these post that just get overlooked.
The Tropical Zodiac points to peoples personal traits while the Sidereal Zodiac points to things like agriculture events and such.
I don't know exactly how much of the Eastern world is affected by this but I do know like Indonesia and below are affected. Hell, I could be wrong as I am just learning these differences.
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
As for the 2009 idea, from what I gather was when this shift in the two Zodiacs actually became an official observation. |
So the previous observation (2000 years ago) had a 1 month difference between the signs. So my point is that if you are following the most accurate observation, realisticly anyone thats still alive should be following them, not if you've been born after 2009 (which seems extremly silly if you think about it). |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
So the previous observation (2000 years ago) had a 1 month difference between the signs. So my point is that if you are following the most accurate observation, realisticly anyone thats still alive should be following them, not if you've been born after 2009 (which seems extremly silly if you think about it). |
They were exactly the same in observation 2000 years ago. But Sidereal Zodiac points to the constellations as they are, where Tropical Zodiac uses the sun in coloration with the constellations. From what I know they have been in alignment until around 2009 from what I understand.
I'm new at this so I might be wrong but Sidereal Zodiacs basic philosophy is that if you look at a star in the constellation on any given night then it will be roughly in the same spot the next night and so on. But the moons gravitational change on the Earth has caused it to wobble thus using Sidereal Zodiac philosophy when you look in the sky for any given star in a constellation it is now no longer there and I think this started in 2009, if anyone knows more on this please correct me. Cause this is all new to me.
But in Tropical Zodiac since it uses the sun and the seasons for it's constellation there has been no affect on their philosophy of their Tropical Zodiac.
And Tropical seems to point more to peoples traits where Sidereal seems to point to things that happen on earth. I researched a lot on this but I am sure I am off on something. I mean if Babylonians that created the 12 Tropical signs knew that their was a 13th sign 2000 years ago but ignored it, I would think that even the most common person, even an unbeliever in Astrology would have known this...but it just seems it went Viral on Jan. 13th. That's weird to me as well.
The one thing I know for certain in the Sidereal Zodiac system is the oldest which has created the idea in the Tropical Zodiac that they never evolved in their ways.
I wish their was an Astronomer student on TA to fix my mistakes but this is all I learned in one day. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
And Tropical seems to point more to peoples traits where Sidereal seems to point to things that happen on earth. I researched a lot on this but I am sure I am off on something. |
yeah I'm really about 95% scorpio. |
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| ModernNosferatu |
Better explained with in this simplicity I just found:
The current media hype about Ophiuchus as "the new 13th zodiac sign" has sent folks spinning into an astrological identity crisis (only the 31%). But the whole thing is untrue!
"Ophiuchus has nothing to do with western astrology," said expert astrologer Rick Levine. "It's not an astrology issue. It has to do with the stars -- it's not a sign, it's a constellation." (I thought constellations were signs)
"There are four seasons each with a beginning, middle and end," Levine continued. "That makes 12 zodiac signs, and there's no such thing as a 13th astrological sign."
So why are people freaking out, wondering if they went to bed last night a Gemini and woke up a Taurus? Here are the answers you've been waiting for on this cosmic controversy:
What is Ophiuchus?
Ophiuchus is a large modern constellation commonly represented as a man grasping the snake represented by the constellation Serpens.
Is Ophiuchus the 13th zodiac sign?
No. Ophiuchus is just a constellation. Even the founding text for astrology (Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy, written 170 AD) mentions just 12 signs. Though a very small fraction of western astrologers who follow a different, constellation-based zodiac, or those who follow Vedic astrology(Sidereal Zodiac), may use Ophiuchus as the 13th zodiac sign, or assign different dates to the signs used in western astrology.
How did this whole myth get started?
It began when astronomy professor Parke Kunkle of Minneapolis Community and Technical College told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune about the procession of stars over time. He said "Three thousand years ago the sun was 'in' whatever it was in. Now it's about a whole constellation off from that." Kunkle's quote was picked up by FOX News and other media outlets, and the false information went viral because people mistakenly assume that astrology is based on the constellations. But that's not true at all.
So what is the truth?
Western astrology is based on the four seasons, not on constellations -- and the seasons don't change. As Levine said above, there are four seasons, each with a with a beginning, middle and end, which adds up to 12 zodiac signs. There is no 13th sign. Period.
What can we learn from this?
Listen to the experts, and don't believe everything you read until you check your facts. There are a lot of people out there who think they understand astrology -- or any other subject -- when they really don't.
What does this mean for you?
Nothing! Your zodiac sign hasn't changed, and it never will.
I was sort of close.:wtf: |
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| Lews |
WHO GIVES A !?!?!?!
Zodiac signs don't have a ing god damn thing to do with personality. I can't believe this was on the front page of CNN instead of the floods in Brazil and Australia or the Sudan secession vote or the Tunisian or Lebanese government collapses.
Every god damn zodiac is ing open ended as so that you can fit yourself into it and see how it "like omg totally describes me."
ing hippie bull. Fits right in there with mind readers and the rest of those cunts. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
WHO GIVES A !?!?!?!
Zodiac signs don't have a ing god damn thing to do with personality. I can't believe this was on the front page of CNN instead of the floods in Brazil and Australia or the Sudan secession vote or the Tunisian or Lebanese government collapses.
Every god damn zodiac is ing open ended as so that you can fit yourself into it and see how it "like omg totally describes me."
ing hippie bull. Fits right in there with mind readers and the rest of those cunts. |
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And Lews is back! |
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