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| portugzMTL |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
the blog electro house scene is ing huge in Montreal, I Love Neon are probably one of the biggest promoters in the city.. it's kinda house, but there's no song structure.. and it's loud and noisy and everyone's completely hammered. Dubstep and mash up hip hop electro, all that is so huge. The Deadmau5 stuff.. if you can target these kids into liking real house.. there's your replacements. |
I don't really hate on EDM genres EVER, I try to be a respectful/very openminded person, but this one kills me. Electro/breakbeat/whatever the that absolute garbage is, is the WORST TO EVER COME OUT OF A SPEAKER, as well as the kids in the scene. I unfortunately was "stuck" attending alot of this S.H.I.T. due to a close friend who got "sucked" in, and this crowd is TRASH. Mix of mcgill trust fund junkies/west coast junkies/junkies. don't get me wrong, i do my drugs (VERY responsibly nowadays ;), haven't popped my last 2((())) appearances... lol and actually outdanced/outlasted most of my cracky friends), but this trash took it to another level. i swear, if they invade the scene, i'm moving away. that music was HORRIFYING, and those people traumatizing. i got a lot of behind the scenes looks...
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
The scene would be better off dying than incorporating those kids. The only similarity between the two is that fact that there's a DJ playing prerecorded music. I'm not knocking them, I'm sure they enjoy what they are into, but the two have nothing to do with each other. |
I agree, I rather see it die, and get buried further underground than have them join.
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
the thing is, they're ing kids. 17-19 years old fresh off their Metallica obsession.. listening to noisy dance music and getting super hammered. They'll grow up and out of it if you expose them to the techno/house scene in a few years.
I dunno, when you guys were 18 were you popping pills and partying until 10am? Give them some time they'll mature. |
um? not trying to be an ass here, but really?
I didn't start listening to house yesterday. I'm really young in the scene, although am confident enough to know what I'm talking about (I'm only 23....)
but back in the day, people started much younger.
my first afterhour attendance was when I was 17? (16?) first pill 18?
but I've been listening to house music (dance music?) for ever since I could remember (I guess the fact there was some DJs in the family influenced that...) it had nothing to do with any type or maturing!?
I wanted to quote almost everybody's posts after that (Martin's (sorry for first naming you. lol), Zyklon_jay's, DJ_LIFT), but then it would get rediculously long. lol I just agree with with so much that was said. |
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| portugzMTL |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
the blog electro house scene is ing huge in Montreal, I Love Neon are probably one of the biggest promoters in the city.. it's kinda house, but there's no song structure.. and it's loud and noisy and everyone's completely hammered. Dubstep and mash up hip hop electro, all that is so huge. The Deadmau5 stuff.. if you can target these kids into liking real house.. there's your replacements. |
I don't really hate on EDM genres EVER, I try to be a respectful/very openminded person, but this one kills me. Electro/breakbeat/whatever the that absolute garbage is, is the WORST TO EVER COME OUT OF A SPEAKER, as well as the kids in the scene. I unfortunately was "stuck" attending alot of this S.H.I.T. due to a close friend who got "sucked" in, and this crowd is TRASH. Mix of mcgill trust fund junkies/west coast junkies/junkies. don't get me wrong, i do my drugs (VERY responsibly nowadays ;), haven't popped my last 2((())) appearances... lol and actually outdanced/outlasted most of my cracky friends), but this trash took it to another level. i swear, if they invade the scene, i'm moving away. that music was HORRIFYING, and those people traumatizing. i got a lot of behind the scenes looks...
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
The scene would be better off dying than incorporating those kids. The only similarity between the two is that fact that there's a DJ playing prerecorded music. I'm not knocking them, I'm sure they enjoy what they are into, but the two have nothing to do with each other. |
I agree, I rather see it die, and get buried further underground than have them join.
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
the thing is, they're ing kids. 17-19 years old fresh off their Metallica obsession.. listening to noisy dance music and getting super hammered. They'll grow up and out of it if you expose them to the techno/house scene in a few years.
I dunno, when you guys were 18 were you popping pills and partying until 10am? Give them some time they'll mature. |
um? not trying to be an ass here, but really?
I didn't start listening to house yesterday. I'm really young in the scene, although am confident enough to know what I'm talking about (I'm only 23....)
but back in the day, people started much younger.
my first afterhour attendance was when I was 17? (16?) first pill 18?
but I've been listening to house music (dance music?) for ever since I could remember (I guess the fact there was some DJs in the family influenced that...) it had nothing to do with any type or maturing!?
I wanted to quote almost everybody's posts after that (Martin's (sorry for first naming you. lol), Zyklon_jay's, DJ_LIFT), but then it would get rediculously long. lol I just agree with with so much that was said. |
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| corjay9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JamesBrown
Not the first time I've been asked if I'm ing retarded, but no, I don't think I am.
Explain please: Is it true you think that taking pills and saying up until 10am is mature?
To answer your second question: your prejudice stems from your own sad experiences. There exist many kids far more mature than most supposed adults. (Though clearly, my understanding of the word "mature" is far different from yours.)
Yes, and Yes to your last two questions. |
My point was more along the lines of, you're only 18.. you probably still live at home, you're fresh out of high school and you might/might not have a car.. after hours partying in general is for people who are a little older, not necessarily more mature. Of course, There will always be exceptions.
I'm not prejudice at all, if you read my post you'd understand that there's plenty of room for the electro noise kids to grow up and into house music because of the stylistic similarites to traditional house and techno. I used to go to these I Love Neon parties 4-5 years ago, I'm not ting on these kids at all.
Besides the true classic stuff, do you still listen to the same music as when you were 18? Or are you 18 and thats why you're on my ass? Because I noticed that almost everyone who's truly passionate about music has grown out of stuff they used to love, it's only natural.
A lot of peaple got into dance music because of Tiesto and AVB and Ferry in the late 90s and early 00s. A lot of these people don't listen to trance at all anymore. It's only normal.. I'm not ting on trance or any music, it's just something I've noticed. |
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| Passskal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
The saving grace is Piknik, at least on the musical side of things. That is the best shot to hook em while they are young. Hell, I am surprised an afterhour never approached them to start a partnership in where they can share some costs and the dj. You have the guy play an all ages show in the day, and an afterhours set at night. This kind of cross promotion would work wonders imo, the brand piknik has created is easily the strongest in this city since the 514 days....
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It has been done...
We once shared James Holden with Iglofest:
James holden @ Dagobert TH
James Holden @ Igloofest FR
James Holden @ Circus FR
James Hodlen @ Toronto SAT
And they also shared a booking with Stereo recently
the point is piknic does not need to get into the afterhours politics to grow and actually wishes to stay away from this with reason...they do though share several bookings with the Platform crew in TO (Footwork).
I would add to your post that Piknic (and now Igloofest) is actually one of the strongest EDM brand in North America! DJs are begging to be booked here for those two events! It's fresh, outdoor, unique, and fckin fun! |
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| JamesBrown |
| quote: | Originally posted by corjay9
My point was more along the lines of, you're only 18.. you probably still live at home, you're fresh out of high school and you might/might not have a car.. after hours partying in general is for people who are a little older, not necessarily more mature. Of course, There will always be exceptions.
I'm not prejudice at all, if you read my post you'd understand that there's plenty of room for the electro noise kids to grow up and into house music because of the stylistic similarites to traditional house and techno. I used to go to these I Love Neon parties 4-5 years ago, I'm not ting on these kids at all.
Besides the true classic stuff, do you still listen to the same music as when you were 18? Or are you 18 and thats why you're on my ass? Because I noticed that almost everyone who's truly passionate about music has grown out of stuff they used to love, it's only natural.
A lot of peaple got into dance music because of Tiesto and AVB and Ferry in the late 90s and early 00s. A lot of these people don't listen to trance at all anymore. It's only normal.. I'm not ting on trance or any music, it's just something I've noticed. |
Thanks for explaining.
And I do sometimes listen to the same stuffs as when I was 18, but that's because some of that stuffs boasts the highest possible production quality when compared to its contemporary pieces...
People listened to Trance a decade ago because it sounded good, much better than the House or Techno available at the time.
Now that high production quality is something that can be achieved at home, more genuinely underground sound have developed and so many sub-genres have stemmed off of those original, klassik sounds.
So... sure, maybe Trance is tired now, but it sure had a lot of influence... much of what's available today in the EDM stems from the early Trance explosion.
It's not just about tastes, but about technology and communications...
Off-topic, though. :-p |
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| Spin Laden |
so it looks like we have four categories:
-indoor massives
-afterhours
-daytime outdoor events
-clubs
I'n probably missing something....
the massives are lacking a bit but I guess the numbers are there for BeB; Black and Blue is going through a change, so it remains to be seen what happens with that. Sensation and Resolution were a joke in 2010. You bring back the Bell Centre and that gives Montreal a boost right there.
the afterhours seem to be doing well in terms of bookings and numbers. Can't say much about the profit margins but the rebirth of Stereo has spurred on some bookings and options everywhere
Daytime events are vibrant: Beach Club, Piknic, Igloofest, all doing well.
Clubs are lacking a bit imo. Not the biggest fan of U.N., good crowd but the setup of that club is meh. I'd like to see another big club like Opera open up again, but with better management and bookings.
In any case, Montreal is in good shape, imo. While I would like to see more boat cruises (like Toronto and Van) Montreal is head and shoulders above any other Canadian city and has the vibe and variety you don't find easily elsewhere. |
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| 84th Ave. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
First I would like to say great posts to the three of you. You all managed to sum up the state of the electronic scene here in Montreal and managed to give you're own very convincing theories to why it is the way it is.
I completely agree that Montreal is a city full of variety when it comes to electronic music and we truly are at the frontline of the scene. A lot of people might be shocked that I would write that concidering my posts here in the last few years. After a lot of anger and confusion I finally realized there was nothing wrong with Montreal. The scene evolved and I just don't like the way it evolved and thats why I'm not interested anymore. There is no more suprise for me anymore when I go out, been there, done that.
Its so true that underground is dead, it means nothing anymore. I have watched as people who used to want nothing to do with techno 8 years ago are now more ontop of the scene than me. Electronic music has literally exploded like the big bang and its expanding at the speed of light. I personally don't like the way things are now but in the long run it will be very profitable and it is guarenteed to sustain the scene for a very long time. |
I can really relate to what you said
The direction (mainstream) for me personally has really killed the excitiment, i remember in the early 00s going to aria and not knowing one face, now go to BEB and theres 213213462465 from Ottawa, ppl who have just started listening to EDM. The scene has grown not doubting that.
Maybe cause i've seen almost every DJ from Armin, Tiesto to Hernan, Digweed, and everyone inbetween, maybe its just im getting older (Hi Jay), maybe because of the decline of real quality music, but like Lift said if i do make a cameo appearance now to a gig its to party and be with friends... The excitiment is def not what it used to be.
For me, im really digging the outdoor events (piknic etc), my body does not like loosing sleeping anymore, plus like mentioned, the music is fresh
It is evolution, even tho Montreal IS a vibrant EDM city, its not what it was, even compared to the early 00s.
It has lost that mysterious flair that it had, due to all the reasons you guys mentioned before...the scene in general has become mainstream, maybe not 100%...but not that far off |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Passskal
It has been done...
We once shared James Holden with Iglofest:
James holden @ Dagobert TH
James Holden @ Igloofest FR
James Holden @ Circus FR
James Hodlen @ Toronto SAT
And they also shared a booking with Stereo recently
the point is piknic does not need to get into the afterhours politics to grow and actually wishes to stay away from this with reason...they do though share several bookings with the Platform crew in TO (Footwork).
I would add to your post that Piknic (and now Igloofest) is actually one of the strongest EDM brand in North America! DJs are begging to be booked here for those two events! It's fresh, outdoor, unique, and fckin fun! |
thanks for clearing that up Pascal. Sharing exorbitant fees is the way to go. I think in the next few years, pro DJs are going to get a kick in the teeth salary wise. Club owners are not going to keep paying them top dollar just to be "fresh" if it is unprofitable.
DJ Culture and the superstar DJ phase really set the bar too high. Travel costs from europe are going up every day. The golden goose is going to be dead soon.
All this stuff is not just happening in Montreal. Some of London's most famous clubs were run into the ground and people stopped going. We are talking about a city that absolutely dwarfs Montreal in terms of both population and interest in electronic music. People like to trumpet the Berlin scene, but gues what? If they don't promote nights properly there, people don't show either.
The art of promotion is dying too, too many people think that putting something on the internet is enough to get people to know what is going on. It really isn't and is lazy. If fran666 pops into this thread, I am sure he can attest to how much more effort was put into promotion in the past. |
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| Spin Laden |
there's a new club called Marquee in Las Vegas that is booking all of those superstar djs like crazy. I don't see them sustaining that, though Vegas is a different kind of animal altogether.
But it will be nice when that superstar dj bubble bursts. Just don't know when it's gonna happen... |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| Vegas is vegas....a casino is a license to print money. They are not losing a dime even if no one shows up. These acts are just to get people into the casino, i'm sure management would actually prefer patrons not seeing the dj once they are in the door.;) |
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| Fran666 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
If fran666 pops into this thread, I am sure he can attest to how much more effort was put into promotion in the past. |
the job is way harder now...
not too many people doing it properly neither. i agree.
so no it's not minimum effort to get same results as before.
it's minimum effort that gets no results. as you said.
the old school promoting is still the way to go. only you can use new communication technologies to do so now and with the number of those, it gets crazy. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by 84th Ave.
For me, im really digging the outdoor events (piknic etc), my body does not like loosing sleeping anymore, plus like mentioned, the music is fresh
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+1
The only thing keeping me going is piknic and as long they keep doing them, ill be there.
Another reason why people might not show up to events is because there are just way to many quality ones every week. Thursday, friday, saturday and even Sundays you can find bad ass international dj's. Back in the day it was pretty much only Aria and Stereo. You didn't have to think about it, you already knew where you where going. |
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