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Steve Jobs killed music: Bon Jovi (pg. 4)
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| LKD |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
That's only because the corporate music industry is run by a bunch of old white dudes, marketing chumps, and posers. That's what's killing music. Not technology. |
those damn white dudes :whip: |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Nowaday's, It's just prepackaged crap and has been for a while. It forces people to dig deeper for hidden jems of albums/remixes for the good stuff. |
I thought you didn't get my point?? |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Bon Jovi is a ing crackhead, Napster killed the music industry & Steve Jobs revised it and partially saved it._
It's time to head off the senior's home dude, your time was done along time ago._ |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I meant more that technology is killing corporations' hold on the music industry. |
^^^ pretty much sums it up. Jobs created a middle ground where the artist get at least something instead of nothing for their music.
It's funny that he refers to "kids" as using iTunes too. Practically all the youth I know get their music for free. Only people I know using iTunes fit into one of these:
-Choose to give back to the artist they like and have the money to do so.
-Don't know how to get tunes for free and iTunes is easy to use.
-Don't want to get caught with pirated music.
The "kids" fit into none of those categories...
I also love how he tries to say it's a shame because they're missing out on the "experience" as well. Sorry dude, every artist I hear bitch about this stuff all the way from Metallica to you it's pretty easy to tell it's all about the $$$.
Where music is right now both free and paid for online is great. You have an infinite range to choose from and there's plenty of free legal means to find your absolute favourite music out there whereas before you easily could have missed it. I'm sure the record store thing was great but the downsides of losing that are faaaarrrr outweighed by the positives of what we have now imo.
The future is extremely simple. If you want to make money you need to get out there and perform. The days of working for a couple months to make an album and letting the money roll in are over for both artists and record companies. I can't find it now but a few months ago I read an article showing that the same amount gross record sales has dived, ticket prices for live shows has grown. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by LKD
those damn white dudes :whip: |
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| cammaxwell |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I think there is something to this. It limited peoples' choices so they ended up being exposed to music they wouldn't have chosen right out of the gates had they had the means, but in the end much of it stuck with them. By being able to preview songs and select individual ones that grab people right away, the tracks that might have taken longer to set in that could have ended up being the ones that stuck with them the longest never get their chance to shine. It's the downside of having options and choice imo. Back then I remember wishing I could do what we can now, but seeing its side effects, I see what we had that we didn't realize at the time. |
I'm sure one could have found the odd hidden jem that way, but shopping for albums by the cover art just isn't the best way to go. There are LOTS of other avenues to expose yourself to music you may not have normally been exposed too.
But no matter what, it is still hilarious to hear a artist complain that people can't do that anymore! Makes me what to go check out all his cover art, it should be the best out there!!!! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
But no matter what, it is still hilarious to hear a artist complain that people can't do that anymore! Makes me what to go check out all his cover art, it should be the best out there!!!! |
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| Brennen |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog et al, killed the music industry ... with NSYNC, Britney and the rest of the Idol people.
Please someone resurrect Frank Sinatra. |
I have to disagree. Old Dre and Snoop were some of the best in the world and took hip hop to the next level. Chronic/Chronic 2001 are classics.
What killed the music industry? How albums with 4 tracks that are worth listening too. iTunes has given people the ability to buy the tracks they want without 10 fillers. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Button
The problem isn't iTunes or Jobs, the problem lies within the artists themselves. Majority are out to make a buck, rather than go through the creative process of making a start to finish masterpiece. |
Sorry Jeff that is a retarded statement and clearly is disconnected with the realities of the music business (no, you're not retarded, your statement is).
Yes, Bon Jovi is incorrect about the "music store experience" being the (former) driver of the industry - however the desire for people to be compensated for work provided ("making a buck" I guess...) isn't the problem.
The problem is the commoditization of performance art (music, movies, video, radio, etc.) and the lack of industry foresight to figure out a revenue model to align with mass consumption.
If the record business figured out a $5/month model for access to everything on every device (with DRM) - by now they would easily have eclipsed their $12.5 billion in sales/year in 2005 (208 million subscribers is the breakeven @ $5/month - 4% market penetration).
Example: 1999 - who wouldn't pay $5/month for every song ever made, digital format, any device? how about adding on an additional $10 for every new movie or TV show ($24 billion/year - equal to the 2010 box office take)? Add another $10 for past catalogue? $35/month for all three? Imagine the disruption to the content consumption business (bye-bye TV/radio)? IMAGINE THE REVENUES AND PROFITS (which far exceed the current revenue take by both music and movies BTW).
One big profitable word: ANNUITY.
Bottom line - LABELS/PUBLISHERS (not artists as Jeff attests) shat the bed on an opportunity to provide portable, high-quality music for low cost and instead tried to continue their mass-market model which drove consumers to steal via easy theft - which they still do (disappointingly) and will continue to do because the "cheap" subscription model alternative is no longer appealing (hopefully one day it will be, as the music business is dying).
Case a point - big artists don't make new music. They tour the out of their career (avoiding publishing and label costs) and making money from merch and ticket draw.
My $0.02. Keep the change. |
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| rabbitjoker |
PS - if you steal, you're a theif, and I don't have much respect for you.
$1 pack of gum (or MP3) from a rich company or a $100,000 car from a rich aristocrat - it's the same. THEFT!
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I also love how a bunch of arm-chair theives have such violent opinions on what it takes to survive in the music business.
Hey, how about you go make a record, come back, post some sales numbers and then talk about an industry you used to only steal from? Cool? Beans... Exactly. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
PS - if you steal, you're a theif, and I don't have much respect for you.
$1 pack of gum (or MP3) from a rich company or a $100,000 car from a rich aristocrat - it's the same. THEFT!
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I also love how a bunch of arm-chair theives have such violent opinions on what it takes to survive in the music business.
Hey, how about you go make a record, come back, post some sales numbers and then talk about an industry you used to only steal from? Cool? Beans... Exactly. |
+10000000 |
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| Jeff Button |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Sorry Jeff that is a retarded statement and clearly is disconnected with the realities of the music business (no, you're not retarded, your statement is).
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I'm not speaking from the business side of the music industry, I'm talking about the music from the artists themselves. Nobody is being held at gunpoint when making an album (at least not that I am aware of) so blaming the record labels for the overall lack of quality in the music today is retarded in itself. Can you name 10 albums in the last five years that are worth listening to start to finish? I can't. Before 2000, I could probably give you a page long list for every year going back to the 60's. That was my main point.
While going to the Grammy's must have been a cool experience, I bet it pained you to hear the kind of product that the mainstream is churning out these days. 90% recycled garbage. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Button
I'm not speaking from the business side of the music industry, I'm talking about the music from the artists themselves. Nobody is being held at gunpoint when making an album (at least not that I am aware of) so blaming the record labels for the overall lack of quality in the music today is retarded in itself. Can you name 10 albums in the last five years that are worth listening to start to finish? I can't. Before 2000, I could probably give you a page long list for every year going back to the 60's. That was my main point.
While going to the Grammy's must have been a cool experience, I bet it pained you to hear the kind of product that the mainstream is churning out these days. 90% recycled garbage. |
So up until massive illegal downloading, there were a lot of quality records. After illegal downloading its all mc cookie cutter crap that is guaranteed to sell at least something even though people are stealing.
Don't you see a trend here?
Whereas before labels would take more risk, they dont anymore and only tend to what will most likely sell. And thats partly why its become more and more formulated, the 90% recycled garbage. |
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