I see nothing wrong with the music industry. You guys keep complaining everything mainstream is cookie cutted crap....just dont listen to mainstream music....theres still plenty of good music out there, plenty of great albums I can listen to from front to back.
I dont see why anyone is complaining, theres more music out there then EDM and mainstream.
VDub
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Originally posted by E2EK1EL
One of the best comedy's ever bro...
Spam
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Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Bad music is also not the cause of the demise of the business business.
Bad music had been made since the beginning of time, however when you actually had to PAY for it - you never heard it because nobody was going to put money into printing CDs and promotions.
People are stealing just as much "bad" modern music (and I debate that conclusion - there is still a lot of great music being put out) as they steal of classic "great" music.
Saying "music is now bad, therefore I steal" (or the reason people steal is because it is bad) is again a cop-out and peope just rationalizing their theft.
If the music was -that- bad, people wouldn't steal it.
People keep blaming bad music or trying to justify x y and z. And I agree with you that bad music is NOT the reason people steal.
One big point I think has been missed is the CONVENIENCE of stealing music. It's not really an attempt at justifying my stolen music, just pointing out the main reason that I personally did it. Why go to the store to buy the CD you want when you can load up Napster and start downloading the songs you want before you could even get your car started?
iTunes (and other similar programs and business models) have gone a long way towards matching this convenience. I know that I primarily stole my music from Napster, Kazaa, Limewire before I got iTunes, not because I wasn't willing to pay for the music, but because I'm a lazy and didn't feel like going out to buy the music I wanted. Or worse, couldn't find it because it was an old CD or obscure artist. The easiest and fastest solution was to do a quick search and start downloading.
Once I started to use iTunes, I stopped stealing any music that was available through iTunes (not only because it's a legal means to buying it, but it's actually easier than using the PtP sources and sifting through all the fake and corrupted files), but I still find myself downloading songs for free if they aren't available on iTunes. Do I know I'm stealing the music? Yes. Do I care? Not really. I'd rather have the music NOW, than wait for a CD to get shipped. Even more annoying is when I want a specific single, and I can't even google the legal means of obtaining it.
Even still, it can be easier for some people (especially teenagers and people without credit cards) to steal their music instead of using iTunes simply because it's more convenient to google "So and so mediafire" and click download than to sign up for an iTunes account.
In conclusion, it's my belief that stealing music became a problem simply because it's incredibly easy and convenient to do so, and for almost no other reason.
Jem_hadar
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Originally posted by Spam
In conclusion, it's my belief that stealing music became a problem simply because it's incredibly easy and convenient to do so, and for almost no other reason.
Most assuredly you can also add the perception of people having little or NO fear of ever truly being caught and punished for this form of theft. I’m certain this significantly influences the willingness and pervasive acceptance of stealing music by the general population.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Most assuredly you can also add the perception of people having little or NO fear of ever truly being caught and punished for this form of theft. I’m certain this significantly influences the willingness and pervasive acceptance of stealing music by the general population.
I think that is a big part as to why people steal music......when was the last time you saw a Joe Blow thrown in jail for illegally downloading a song or copying a CD
Spam
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Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Most assuredly you can also add the perception of people having little or NO fear of ever truly being caught and punished for this form of theft. I’m certain this significantly influences the willingness and pervasive acceptance of stealing music by the general population.
Ya, for sure, I guess I just sort of add that to the convenience factor as well. I had meant to mention that. Stealing music wouldn't be all that convenient if it were actually punished.
Endlesswave
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Originally posted by Spam
Ya, for sure, I guess I just sort of add that to the convenience factor as well. I had meant to mention that. Stealing music wouldn't be all that convenient if it were actually punished.
Also because of the sheer number of people doing it, is it even enforcable?
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Endlesswave
Also because of the sheer number of people doing it, is it even enforcable?
If they were to try and enforce it they would have to go after someone who was stealing a god awful amount of music first.
WittyHandle
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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
If they were to try and enforce it they would have to go after someone who was stealing a god awful amount of music first.
Why? Wouldn't it have a larger impact to make an example of someone who stole a relatively small amount?
Endlesswave
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Originally posted by WittyHandle
Why? Wouldn't it have a larger impact to make an example of someone who stole a relatively small amount?
Obviously they've done that in the past with a few cases. I'm talking about blanket enforcement to ANYONE and EVERYONE that steals. Would these corps/the gov be able to enforce it?
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by Endlesswave
Obviously they've done that in the past with a few cases. I'm talking about blanket enforcement to ANYONE and EVERYONE that steals. Would these corps/the gov be able to enforce it?
It would have to be law enforcement that enforces it and there just isn't enough man power to enforce it.
ChemEnhanced
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Originally posted by WittyHandle
Why? Wouldn't it have a larger impact to make an example of someone who stole a relatively small amount?
It would have a larger impact but you would never get a conviction because of how wide spread relatively small theft is. You would have an easier time convicting someone who stole hundreds of thousands of tracks and then work your way down until you don't get a conviction.
