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Steve Jobs killed music: Bon Jovi (pg. 5)
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| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
PS - if you steal, you're a theif, and I don't have much respect for you.
$1 pack of gum (or MP3) from a rich company or a $100,000 car from a rich aristocrat - it's the same. THEFT!
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I also love how a bunch of arm-chair theives have such violent opinions on what it takes to survive in the music business.
Hey, how about you go make a record, come back, post some sales numbers and then talk about an industry you used to only steal from? Cool? Beans... Exactly. |
Yup yup yup!!! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brennen
I have to disagree. Old Dre and Snoop were some of the best in the world and took hip hop to the next level. Chronic/Chronic 2001 are classics.
What killed the music industry? How albums with 4 tracks that are worth listening too. iTunes has given people the ability to buy the tracks they want without 10 fillers. |
This has also caused people to be less adventurous with their music selection. Now people hear a song they like on the radio and then go buy it. Part of the fun of buying an album solely on the art work, name of the album and song names was finding new songs you loved and then weeks or months later finally hearing them on the radio. When I bought Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction I had only heard Sweet Child O' Mine but then I discovered Welcome to the Jungle and Mr. Brownstone and so on and so on. I had the cassette for over a month before I even got to side B. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
PS - if you steal, you're a theif, and I don't have much respect for you.
$1 pack of gum (or MP3) from a rich company or a $100,000 car from a rich aristocrat - it's the same. THEFT!
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I also love how a bunch of arm-chair theives have such violent opinions on what it takes to survive in the music business.
Hey, how about you go make a record, come back, post some sales numbers and then talk about an industry you used to only steal from? Cool? Beans... Exactly. |
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| knacker |
| quote: | Originally posted by GGM
I also love how he tries to say it's a shame because they're missing out on the "experience" as well. Sorry dude, every artist I hear bitch about this stuff all the way from Metallica to you it's pretty easy to tell it's all about the $$$.
The future is extremely simple. If you want to make money you need to get out there and perform. The days of working for a couple months to make an album and letting the money roll in are over for both artists and record companies. I can't find it now but a few months ago I read an article showing that the same amount gross record sales has dived, ticket prices for live shows has grown. |
While I agree that Jon Bon's statement is idiotic and way off base, I find attitudes like these completely naive and scary.
First off, it IS a shame people are missing out on the experience off a full Album. If you can't comprehend this, you're not much of a lover of good music.
Do you not realize that making albums takes more than just the artists? Think of all the great albums in history and look at how many involved not only the musicians, but producers, engineers, studio musicians, sound designers, orchestras, etc
If there is no revenue from the actual recorded music, how do you expect these people to make a living and continue working on albums??
You, like many who use paper thin arguments like this, have a delusional idea that the entire industry is like this when you are really ONLY TALKING ABOUT 2% OF THE ARTISTS OUT THERE. Most are struggling, on the road for 6 - 10 months out of the year JUST to get by.
Sooo ticket prices for live shows has grown.. prices for everything has grown, along with the fact there's a little company called TICKETMASTER (now owned by Live Nation) that takes 50% of the revenue from ticket sales (not to mention the way the gauge people in the re-sale market with Tickets Now etc.).
And oh yeah, they have a contract with at least 75% of the venues in North America, so if you don't want to play by their rules, you're going to have a tough time finding a venue to play AT ALL. These guys are raking in far more $$$ than the artists or record companies.
Not only that, but now because artists HAVE to tour to make ends meet, the competition has skyrocketed, leaving many unable to sell out all their concerts, and thus make a living (remember, a tour takes a heck of a lot more than just the band, you have roadies, sound engineers, tour managers, etc. who ALL have to take a cut of the revenue) And what about older or ill artists who can't tour? Do they not deserve to be compensated for their work?
Oh I know, you'll say "find another revenue stream" but sorry I do NOT want the music I listen to tied to commercials or a product of some sort. The MUSIC - the thing WE all LOVE the most - deserves to have the value - NOT anything else.
Now I'm not defending the record companies - they have made many mistakes - but to put ALL labels and artists into one group, and have this absurd notion they are "sticking it to the MAN" by not buying thier music is so ing aggravating! (as these thiefs often often rationalize thier actions - even though they continue to give thier money to huge corporations in other ways on a daily business)
Truth is, if people don't find value in good recorded music, it will start to disappear (as it already has in popular music)
There are still A LOT of great full Albums being made today - you just got to take a bit of listening time and find them.. but these are getting fewer and fewer by the year because many artist simply can't afford to spend a lot of time writing and recording an album. Its a vicious perpetual cycle, and the only way to help solve it is to SUPPORT the artists you love. |
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| knacker |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I also love how a bunch of arm-chair theives have such violent opinions on what it takes to survive in the music business.
Hey, how about you go make a record, come back, post some sales numbers and then talk about an industry you used to only steal from? Cool? Beans... Exactly. |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
So up until massive illegal downloading, there were a lot of quality records. After illegal downloading its all mc cookie cutter crap that is guaranteed to sell at least something even though people are stealing.
Don't you see a trend here?
Whereas before labels would take more risk, they dont anymore and only tend to what will most likely sell. And thats partly why its become more and more formulated, the 90% recycled garbage. |
BINGO! |
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| Endlesswave |
Ah so because they lose money as a result of innovation of new types of standards in the industry (mp3s, digital downloads etc), they stick to what's safe and makes $. The cookie cutter garbage that sells. Makes sense.
Too bad labels can't do a bit of both. Take some risk but at the same time have a base of 'popular' crap to churn out. Well I'm sure some labels do just that but then I'd guess they're seen as garbage and sell outs by some because of popular music support and 'too experimental' by those who like what they like. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by knacker
Do you not realize that making albums takes more than just the artists? Think of all the great albums in history and look at how many involved not only the musicians, but producers, engineers, studio musicians, sound designers, orchestras, etc
If there is no revenue from the actual recorded music, how do you expect these people to make a living and continue working on albums?? |
What do you mean??
Are you saying that a Mac and some software do not an artist make??? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
:stongue: :nervous: :nervous:
how did she even get a chance to be in this video? |
| quote: | | Meet the new Justin Bieber. OK, maybe not. But a previously unknown singer named Rebecca Black has recently experienced Bieber-esque fame on YouTube for her song “Friday,” although it may be a case where the adoration is ironic. Black’s single went up on YouTube February 10, but didn’t get much attention until last Friday, when views suddenly spiked, according to YouTube Trends. |
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| Euphorica |
on one hand napster and digital media gave/give kids access to millions of songs they would likely never have even heard....so in that respect its advanced the industry...
but on the other hand it made it easier to take music... but I dont even think thats the problem...
its all the ty pop crap thats ran the music industry into the ground. kids may have all the access but many of them are not exploring it. they are stuck on youtube watching kesha vids etc...
all that kind of bunk which was creating by some corporate d00ds is whats ruined it.
and all the cities cracking down on "partying" , gigs costing kids north of $100 to go see their fav band etc... meanwhile wages stay the same. thats hurting the industry.
edit: obviously my point was already pointed out by many others. rich fat white dudes marketing junk.... thats what killed it |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by knacker
BINGO! |
hey you credited rabbitjoker with my quote LOL |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
Ah so because they lose money as a result of innovation of new types of standards in the industry (mp3s, digital downloads etc), they stick to what's safe and makes $. The cookie cutter garbage that sells. Makes sense.
Too bad labels can't do a bit of both. Take some risk but at the same time have a base of 'popular' crap to churn out. Well I'm sure some labels do just that but then I'd guess they're seen as garbage and sell outs by some because of popular music support and 'too experimental' by those who like what they like. |
Thats what they used to do when people bought music. The massive revenue that was made on the madonnas and MJs were pumped into A&R and production of lesser known distinct artists. Some with massive success and some massive losses. The labels simply cant risk the losses anymore.
The worst part of all this is that its gotten so that the honest music lover cant even go to a good record store anymore because they are disappearing like the dodo. Its horrible!
I dont care what anyone says. Nothing beats the quality of a manufactured, mastered CD or record. I have never heard a burnt cd or MP3 that comes close
By the way... people in the industry now say that the music promotes the gigs and merch whereas it used to be the opposite. What does that tell you? No wonder so much music sucks now!
And who's fault is it? The millions of thieves out there who think nothing of stealing people's livelihoods one mp3 at a time. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euphorica
on one hand napster and digital media gave/give kids access to millions of songs they would likely never have even heard....so in that respect its advanced the industry... |
i was told once "it doesnt matter if a million kids downloaded my track if none of them paid me for it"
This was by a well known artist who doesnt need the "promotion"
touche...
| quote: | its all the ty pop crap thats ran the music industry into the ground. kids may have all the access but many of them are not exploring it. they are stuck on youtube watching kesha vids etc...
all that kind of bunk which was creating by some corporate d00ds is whats ruined it. |
nooooo that ty pop is tier because of illegal downloading. and lazy kids who sit on youtube are because lazy kids are too lazy and cheap to get down to the local music store and search for their favourite record or cd.
The internet really is the worst thing that ever happened to media. Just wait till it kills movies like its doing to music. I think only then people will wake up.
and all the cities cracking down on "partying" , gigs costing kids north of $100 to go see their fav band etc... meanwhile wages stay the same. thats hurting the industry.
edit: obviously my point was already pointed out by many others. rich fat white dudes marketing junk.... thats what killed it [/QUOTE] |
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