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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
I hope we "Canada" stick to fly overs in Libya and not dropping bombs. |
and if pro Qaddafi forces insisting on pressing their attacks, then what? keep just flying? what good will that do?
I'm having serious lulz moment at this 'coalition' falling apart already, esp Arab League. because AL nations know that supporting western coalition in what seems like a move to oust Qaddafi sets dangerous precedent. they might be next. |
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| hardcore trancer |
China, Russia, Germany are already against these attacks and they do not see these attacks as the solution. There are just way too many questions over this mission. At first they said that they were only taking out Gaddafi’s air defense capabilities then they went after the ground forces and then they bombed Gaddafi ‘s house. I hear this all the time how they are not trying to remove Gaddafi by force etc … Also there are loads of questions as to what is the game plan after all of these attacks.
Let’s say that they are able to get rid of Gaddafi tomorrow. What then? As this continues on I can’t help to compare Libya and Iraq and how they went into Iraq without plans after invasion. They just hoped that once Saddam is gone Iraq would become a free democratic country the next day. |
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| hardcore trancer |
Chomsky's views on this situation:
http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20110321.htm
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Strikes will 'antagonise' many in Arab world, says Chomsky
Military intervention in Libya is a serious mistake, activist Noam Chomsky tells SAUNDRA SATTERLEE
NOAM CHOMSKY wrote about the Spanish Civil War at the age of 10 for his school newspaper, was briefly jailed with Norman Mailer in 1967 for an anti-Vietnam protest at the Pentagon, and last May was detained by the Israelis when he tried to enter the West Bank via Jordan.
A world-renowned scholar and retired professor of linguistics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he remains, at age 82, a robust political activist and a stinging critic of US foreign policy.
Chomsky warns that direct military intervention in Libya will turn out to be a serious mistake.
"When the United States, Britain and France opt for military intervention, we have to bear in mind that these countries are hated in the region for very good reasons. The rich and powerful can say history is bunk but victims don't have that luxury," he says.
"Threatening moves, I'm sure, evoke all sorts of terrible thoughts and memories in the region Ð and many people across Africa and the Arab world will be seriously antagonised by military intervention."
Chomsky adds that in Egypt public opinion polls have shown about 90 per cent of the population thinks the US is the worst threat they face.
He stresses that Libya is a humanitarian problem. "It is also a civil war and intervening in a civil war is a complicated business," he says. "We may not like it, but there is support for Gadafy."
On the subject of Palestine, recent events in North Africa do not bode well if a reported request by the Israeli government for $20 billion from the US Ð as a force for stability in the region Ð is anything to go by.
"This would, predictably, be used to establish more firmly Israel's control over what is left of Palestine and maintain Israel's capacity to carry out aggressive actions. It doesn't mean that Israel will succeed in obtaining these funds from the US but the intent is clear," says Chomsky.
He envisages a repositioning of US power across North Africa, especially in Egypt.
He believes the Wall Street Journal accurately observed that the West Ð the US in particular Ð now has a problem.
"It hasn't yet figured out how to control the new rising elements; the assumption is of course that we have to control them," he says.
On shifts in western alliances with authoritarian regimes, Chomsky says that in a long series of cases it became impossible for the West to support its favourite dictators.
"At that point there's a game plan that goes into operation. It's being followed in the Arab world, basically to send dictators out to pasture when you can't support them any longer and produce ringing declarations of your love of democracy," he says.
Saudi Arabia provides an example of the contradiction in western policy, he says.
"Saudi Arabia is the centre of radical Islamism. It has also been the major ally of the United States and Britain, which have tended over the years to support radical Islam in opposition to secular nationalism. Saudi Arabia is a pretty harsh dictatorship. Prior to the recent Day of Rage the government made it clear that it would not be tolerated Ð and it wasn't."
Further to this, we have seen Saudi troops dispatched into Bahrain with grim consequences.
US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and British foreign secretary William Hague met in Geneva on February 28th to promote the case for the prosecution of Gadafy by the International Criminal Court (ICC).
"One question is whether that would interfere with a preferable option, namely getting Gadafy out of the country.
"Furthermore, as far as the ICC is concerned, we cannot overlook the fact that for most of the world it is regarded as a symbol of western hypocrisy," he says.
He wonders why George Bush and Tony Blair were not taken to the ICC for invading Iraq.
"This is the rich and powerful exempting themselves. And that doesn't mean that the ICC is worthless, but it certainly undermines its claim of integrity," he says.
On the subject of oil and current events across North Africa and the Middle East, Chomsky says: "The overriding concern for control over oil has dominated British policy for a century and US policy for almost that long. Of course that will remain."
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| ChemEnhanced |
| A part of me is glad that they are getting involved but another part of me questions why they should be involved at all. This is an internal problem that the rest of the world shouldn't be sticking their nose into. |
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| jester |
| I guess we could have left them to kill each other, just like Darfur and other crap that the UN turns a blind eye. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
I guess we could have left them to kill each other, just like Darfur and other crap that the UN turns a blind eye. |
ugh dont even get me started on darfur. Talk about ignoring a massive genocide....f*CK! :mad: :mad: :mad: |
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| exraver |
Rwanda: 800.000 dead people in 100 days, but where was UN?
Libya: 100 dead people, NATO is on it's way to bomb you back to neanderthal in a week.
Talking about efficiency :) |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Rwanda: 800.000 dead people in 100 days, but where was UN?
Libya: 100 dead people, NATO is on it's way to bomb you back to neanderthal in a week.
Talking about oil :) |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
Rwanda: 800.000 dead people in 100 days, but where was UN?
Libya: 100 dead people, NATO is on it's way to bomb you back to neanderthal in a week.
Talking about efficiency :) |
Any oil or value of any kind in Rwanda?? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
I guess we could have left them to kill each other, just like Darfur and other crap that the UN turns a blind eye. |
That is why I said I'm glad they are there....but as more and more countries get involved politics will play an even bigger role. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
And I found out today that he's from Iran...
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I told you:p |
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