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Lira's April's Fools' Thread: Because you sort of can't spell April without Lira. (pg. 5)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I'm not (...) very smart |
I disagree ;)
Still, I'm going to write a reply tomorrow. After all the work you put into it, I guess I should at least say what's my actual stance on this issue :p |
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| EgosXII |
hahaha epic troll, good work.
although its the second of april, so you broke the ing rules.
you know what that means, it is, in fact YOU who are the fool. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
First post edited :D
I guess I could've had more success if I said I converted to scientology, but I was afraid it wouldn't be convincing :p |
I respect you and normally wouldn't say that to you but your 're a prick right now. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
hahaha epic troll, good work.
although its the second of april, so you broke the ing rules.
you know what that means, it is, in fact YOU who are the fool. |
Its still April 1 here... :p
Also how is this a troll thread when Lira is making good points... :conf: |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Its still April 1 here... :p
Also how is this a troll thread when Lira is making good points... :conf: |
he wasn't being srs tho, he was making bigotted statements :p |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
he wasn't being srs tho, he was making bigotted statements :p |
I didn't catch it. Derp! I felt for the kid and his friend telling him it was deserved. I imagined it was his bible thumper friend that is his best friend in school.
Someone give me a towel so I can wipe this egg of my face. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
he wasn't being srs tho, he was making bigotted statements :p |
Calling religion stupid is not bigotry, its truthful and sincere.
Religion is stupid.
Even people I really like, people that I find intelligent, if they are religious it plants seeds of doubt in my mind to how intelligent they actually are.
Also, I realized it was April Fools Day, and even so I figured joke or not, it was a legitimate argument. :p |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
it's hilarious because any anti "jew" comment that is made you flip out and have a childish hissy fit. You do realise judaism is a religion right? And as for sandnigger; don't you think that equates to teh general diaspora of the middle east including israel? Use your head if you have one. You out of your mouth and talk out of your ass.
Redundant idiot. |
| quote: | What is a Jew? A member of a religion, a culture, a nation — or all three?
That was the old and perhaps unanswerable question faced last week by the Israeli Supreme Court. Understandably, the court preferred to sidestep the issue rather than try to give a firm answer, but the case that raised the problem did so in a particularly interesting way.
The petitioner before the judges was Benjamin Shalit, 33, a psychologist and a lieutenant commander in Israel's navy; the respondent was the Minister of the Interior. Israeli law requires all parents to register their newborn children by religion and nationality. Though a sabra (native-born Israeli), Shalit is a professed atheist, and after the birth of his children—Oren, now four, and Galia, 20 months —he tried to register them as Jews by nationality but nonbelievers by religion.
Each time the Interior Ministry refused to permit distinction between Jewish faith and Jewish nationality.
The Ministry's reasoning was based on Halakha (religious law), which says that to be considered a Jew, a person must be born of a Jewish mother or be a convert to the faith. Shalit's wife Anne is a Scottish gentile who immigrated to Israel in 1960. Like her husband, she is an atheist, and she was never converted to Judaism.
Cultural Factors. Shalit argues that the Interior Ministry had no right to use religious standards in judging the secular issue of nationality. He also maintains that as a nonbeliever he cannot be forced to adhere to a decision grounded on religious law. "It is not faith that unites us as a nation," he insists. "Too many people do not practice religion for that. The cultural and sociological factors are the ones that determine who is a Jew, not the memory of a primitive religion. My children were born in Israel, speak Hebrew, live in a Hebrew culture, will go to Hebrew schools. They know nothing else. How can the Interior Minister say they are not Jews?"
One precedent for his case, says Shalit, was the court's decision regarding Father Daniel (TIME, Dec. 14, 1962), a Carmelite friar who sought admission to Israel under the Law of Return, which grants automatic citizenship to any Jew who wants to live in the country. A convert to Roman Catholicism, Father Daniel was born of a Jewish mother. In his case, the court ruled that Halakha did not apply and that on the basis of secular law and the common-sense opinions of men he would no longer be regarded as a Jew.
If the court agreed with Shalit, it would in fact rule that culture rather than religion is at the core of Israel's Jewishness. While many Israelis accept Shalit's arguments, a formal cleavage between religion and state would doubtless destroy the coalition of secular and Orthodox Jews that has governed Israel since 1948. When the Cabinet of former Premier David Ben-Gurion attempted to accept Jews simply by their own affirmation in 1958, the resulting controversy nearly destroyed his government. Already one of the leaders of Israel's National Religious Party has warned that any decision in the case that violates Halakha will bring about the party's resignation from the Cabinet. "Shalit's theory would create an iron gate between Jews inside Israel and those outside," argues Israel Ben-Meir, the Deputy Interior Minister. "It is based on the geographic factor—that being in Israel would determine who is a Jew."
His Own Advocate. Because of its political and religious implications, the Shalit case was heard by nine of the ten justices of the Israeli Supreme Court —the most ever to join in on one decision. Israel's Attorney General argued for the Interior Minister, Shalit served as his own advocate. "Here I am, a little fellow, fighting against the heaviest odds," said Shalit before the case. "But if I win, a Jew will be a Jew by virtue of his own identification with the Jewish people, and not by virtue of Halakha alone."
But after hearing the opposing arguments, the court proposed a compromise that would leave no one a winner. The judges suggested that the Attorney General simply ask the government to abolish nationality as a category of birth registration. Although this would appear to be a simple and logical solution, few Israeli political observers expect that the Knesset will agree to drop the disputed requirement. If it does not, the riddle will once again return to the Supreme Court for a final decision on who is a Jew. |
STFU much, you inbred neanderthal?
And no, it doesn't include Israeli diaspora, as when one refers to a "sandnigger", no one in their right mind would think to include Jew as a part of that, as hard as they try, you ing twat.
Go blow your arab and nazi boyfriends, twinkbitch |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
STFU much, you inbred neanderthal?
And no, it doesn't include Israeli diaspora, as when one refers to a "sandnigger", no one in their right mind would think to include Jew as a part of that, as hard as they try, you ing twat.
Go blow your arab and nazi boyfriends, twinkbitch |
I think you just proved his point.
When I see aNYthing post, I think to myself and go "Hitler... so close..." |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Even people I really like, people that I find intelligent, if they are religious it plants seeds of doubt in my mind to how intelligent they actually are. |
moral hazard defecates all over your primitive intellect. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Calling religion stupid is not bigotry, its truthful and sincere.
Religion is stupid.
Even people I really like, people that I find intelligent, if they are religious it plants seeds of doubt in my mind to how intelligent they actually are.
Also, I realized it was April Fools Day, and even so I figured joke or not, it was a legitimate argument. :p |
lol, you just made my point. cheers for that.
| quote: | Originally posted by Desiderata
I didn't catch it. Derp! I felt for the kid and his friend telling him it was deserved. I imagined it was his bible thumper friend that is his best friend in school.
Someone give me a towel so I can wipe this egg of my face. |
haha i didn't know either, posted a big response :p
but he has, since then of course, posted it wasn't for-reals |
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| Moongoose |
The first thing i though of when i read this yesterday was "This better not be an april fools joke" :D
Trolling potential aside though, his post was a prime example of "Strawman has a point" |
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