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Thomas Penton - Audio Engineering & Mastering Services (pg. 4)
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| Fledz |
People need to understand that when you're running a business, you need to look at everything. In particular how you present yourself.
I'm well aware of who Thomas Penton is but that opening post was 1/10 on an advertising scale. I know some people are being a bit harsh but this is the world we live in. Play the game. Either present yourself as best as you can or suffer the consequences of not running your business properly.
I understand that not everyone has a business education and probably hasn't learnt a lot of the finer points, but there are some things would should be abundantly clear to anyone. Best of luck with your mastering service. |
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| cryophonik |
| Well, I had Mr. Penton master two tracks for an upcoming release and he did an awesome job. I had him master the stems/final master on the original, and a standard mastering job on the remix. He's very easy to work with, very communicative, does excellent work, and has some of the most reasonable rates I've seen. I highly recommend him and will definitely be going back to him in the future. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by CalvP
Robby it's called constructive criticism - the negatives posted in this thread are to HELP not hinder his mastering business.
first impressions are important |
Ok first that sounds like a major crock of .
And I for one do not consider this Pentons "first impression". His first impression on me was when I used his sample pack years ago and was blown away by the astounding quality of his product.
Is this the first time you've ever seen or heard of Penton? No. Why the hell does he need to give a great first impression if he's been seen/heard of 100's of times before?
ESPECIALLY when I've seen about 1000 useless threads of people promising mastering services (who noone knows) and almost noone brought up the significance of first impressions in those threads. Just not in the manner I saw it done here. Almost like "if you don't kiss all our asses soon and show us some we will all over your name".
That comment was not made to be constructive he merely used constructive criticism as a vessel or front to vent his arrogance.
This is what I saw.
Penton came into this thread and just knowing who he was, before even reading his thread I was happy. Finally someone who seems to know what the hell they are doing. No I have not yet heard his mastering services, but comeon you can tell the guy knows his just by other things he has done for the community. He has already established himself afaic. This is like his "30th impression" on me and I'm not expecting much less as he's never delivered anything less than quality in the past... so why would he now?
Now onto my point.
Robot 7 aka Tehlord, someone who I respect, for whatever reason got intimidated the second this thread was made.
He FORGOT that Mr Penton has EARNED the right to be a little bit arrogant after 23 ing years in the industry FFS. And I honestly didn't even catch onto any arrogance at all. He simply said thats all he was posting and to email him for more information. I have no idea how someone would take offense to that and respond with arrogance, unless deep down somehow that person was greatly intimidated just by Penton being here.
I personally don't think that s constructive. Penton knows damn well BEFORE he put that music on his site that it would steer a small crowd of easily irritated people away from his site.
I sure as hell am not going to question him about it. Considering Pentons experience alone I'd be more likely to expect him to have put that music there on purpose to act as a shield against arrogant customers. And guess what? It worked brilliantly.
Then we have Robot 7 coming into the thread making the most obvious comment like "my is brown" and expecting someone of Pentons position to actually learn something from it?
WTF. Penton is not that stupid people.
And just outta respect for the man I will now leave this alone so we can get some actual quality comments/feedback in this thread. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Ok first that sounds like a major crock of .
And I for one do not consider this Pentons "first impression". His first impression on me was when I used his sample pack years ago and was blown away by the astounding quality of his product.
Is this the first time you've ever seen or heard of Penton? No. Why the hell does he need to give a great first impression if he's been seen/heard of 100's of times before?
ESPECIALLY when I've seen about 1000 useless threads of people promising mastering services (who noone knows) and almost noone brought up the significance of first impressions in those threads. Just not in the manner I saw it done here. Almost like "if you don't kiss all our asses soon and show us some we will all over your name".
That comment was not made to be constructive he merely used constructive criticism as a vessel or front to vent his arrogance.
This is what I saw.
Penton came into this thread and just knowing who he was, before even reading his thread I was happy. Finally someone who seems to know what the hell they are doing. No I have not yet heard his mastering services, but comeon you can tell the guy knows his just by other things he has done for the community. He has already established himself afaic. This is like his "30th impression" on me and I'm not expecting much less as he's never delivered anything less than quality in the past... so why would he now?
Now onto my point.
Robot 7 aka Tehlord, someone who I respect, for whatever reason got intimidated the second this thread was made.
He FORGOT that Mr Penton has EARNED the right to be a little bit arrogant after 23 ing years in the industry FFS. And I honestly didn't even catch onto any arrogance at all. He simply said thats all he was posting and to email him for more information. I have no idea how someone would take offense to that and respond with arrogance, unless deep down somehow that person was greatly intimidated just by Penton being here.
I personally don't think that s constructive. Penton knows damn well BEFORE he put that music on his site that it would steer a small crowd of easily irritated people away from his site.
I sure as hell am not going to question him about it. Considering Pentons experience alone I'd be more likely to expect him to have put that music there on purpose to act as a shield against arrogant customers. And guess what? It worked brilliantly.
Then we have Robot 7 coming into the thread making the most obvious comment like "my is brown" and expecting someone of Pentons position to actually learn something from it?
WTF. |
I already knew who he was, have recommended his excellent sample packs to literally hundreds of people over the years as they're some of the best out there. I will continue to do so as well.
That doesn't automatically entitle him to my respect and worship however. The guy isn't a part of this 'community' and didn't bother communicating properly, and also posted the same thread in at least two parts of this forum as well (that gets on my all by itself) and ultimately he was at least a little patronising.
Like I said I've already got a mastering engineer who knows how to communicate properly, has at least the equal experience of Penton and does tech support for UAD and SSL, as well as having an excellent track record in the field of mastering for many a year. Furthermore he spent time with me as a new customer and took criticism on board, he earned my respect.
I find your comments about being intimidated rather hilarious though. I revel in being around talent that's greater than mine. The word you're looking for is stimulated, not intimidated, although in this case is was infuriated.
I'm glad Dave's had good results with him though. I'm sure he's a skilled mastering engineer. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
/\ Fair enough lol. I don't wanna add any more inflammatory bs to the thread and you raise valid points. I hadn't even noticed the second thread and honestly that would have ticked me off too I can't lie.
I also won't pretend like I know what it takes to run a "proper" engineering service either so I'll just leave it at that. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
I already knew who he was, have recommended his excellent sample packs to literally hundreds of people over the years as they're some of the best out there. I will continue to do so as well.
That doesn't automatically entitle him to my respect and worship however. The guy isn't a part of this 'community' and didn't bother communicating properly, and also posted the same thread in at least two parts of this forum as well (that gets on my all by itself) and ultimately he was at least a little patronising.
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Got to agree with this a view of how this thread unfolded.
I also explained a little why people will always get flack for coming in to this forum spamming their services, regardless if they are a no-one or a big name in the sample pack industry.
One other point, and something that has become a big problem in other threads is the lack of contribution at other times; No, they don't have to comment in threads every hour or be an active part of the community, but somehow they find time to post in this forum when they want to sell something to us regular contributors.
I'll give an exact example: This happen when I mentioned I had seen a big name DJ faking a mix (it mixed from one track to another without touching the mixer)- next thing I know, said big name DJ is all over that thread flaming the out of it.
Again, this is someone that has been registered a long time, but virtually never posted on TA but within 15 mins of me posting that comment, pages of aggressive defense followed.
The biggest thing it highlighted? That many people, with seriously useful insight and experience lurk here, but choose to share nothing of it, only dropping their name when there is personal gain or damage control to be had.
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
I'm glad Dave's had good results with him though. I'm sure he's a skilled mastering engineer. |
Me too - as I also mentioned above, being a great mix engineer does not make you good at tracking, nor arranging, or mastering. So the same can be said for sample creation - I've never met a great sound designer that also happened to be a professional mastering engineer. Why should we assume that Mr Penton, while obviously very well skilled at making sample packs, is automatically a great mastering engineer.
And baring that in mind, his responses were very much playing on the fame of his name (you know who I am, you want more info, PM me).
Again, I'm sure he's done a great job if Dave says so - frankly, Dave's word to people on this forum is worth more than someone famous dropping their name to get some business. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| My limited understanding of Mr. Penton's career suggests that he's the real deal and definitely a top-choice for mixing/mastering services :) |
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| PlasticSoul |
great sample packs, thomas, and thanks for the mastering news...
keep the good work, cheers. |
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| cl0ckw3rk |
Such a long thread about nothing really. All I see is a guy (whose sample packs I love and use) offering a new mastering service. Either take advantage or don't.
The rest looks to me like people indulging in useless distraction. Get back to your music folks - it's more important than criticizing his marketing skills. |
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| evo8 |
| Mr Penton must be well happy with this thread - its been page 1 of the Production forum for ages now :p |
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| Sean Walsh |
I finished a track I was pretty happy with the other week and sent off the stems to Mr. Penton for treatment. We went back and forth a couple of times over the week and I'm extremely happy with the end result.
I'd definitely recommend his service. |
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| civicstyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Got to agree with this a view of how this thread unfolded.
I also explained a little why people will always get flack for coming in to this forum spamming their services, regardless if they are a no-one or a big name in the sample pack industry.
One other point, and something that has become a big problem in other threads is the lack of contribution at other times; No, they don't have to comment in threads every hour or be an active part of the community, but somehow they find time to post in this forum when they want to sell something to us regular contributors.
I'll give an exact example: This happen when I mentioned I had seen a big name DJ faking a mix (it mixed from one track to another without touching the mixer)- next thing I know, said big name DJ is all over that thread flaming the out of it.
Again, this is someone that has been registered a long time, but virtually never posted on TA but within 15 mins of me posting that comment, pages of aggressive defense followed.
The biggest thing it highlighted? That many people, with seriously useful insight and experience lurk here, but choose to share nothing of it, only dropping their name when there is personal gain or damage control to be had.
Me too - as I also mentioned above, being a great mix engineer does not make you good at tracking, nor arranging, or mastering. So the same can be said for sample creation - I've never met a great sound designer that also happened to be a professional mastering engineer. Why should we assume that Mr Penton, while obviously very well skilled at making sample packs, is automatically a great mastering engineer.
And baring that in mind, his responses were very much playing on the fame of his name (you know who I am, you want more info, PM me).
Again, I'm sure he's done a great job if Dave says so - frankly, Dave's word to people on this forum is worth more than someone famous dropping their name to get some business. |
link to thread?? |
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