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wall street protests...is this the start of the revolution? (pg. 6)
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You know what's an anagram for "Occupy Wall Street"? Rectally Upset Cow. |
Also: Ew, Costly Rape Cult. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Also: Ew, Costly Rape Cult. |
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| Paradox Lost |
I can't imagine protests of this nature necessarily lending themselves to any meaningfully lasting movement.
There really appears to be no cohesive, reasonably defined set of tenets at the center of this. It seems as though every protestor offers a different explanation as to why and what they're protesting, and set within different ideological frameworks, resulting in the desire to overthrow some ill-defined edifice of authority the only conceptual commonality they share with each other.
As such, movements like this tend to attract the variety of person who knows they ought to be upset with something, but are unable to more precisely articulate what that something is. All it takes are a few key subversive words like 'occupation,' and an increasingly fashionable series of protests to bring these part-time activists out in droves. |
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| Meat187 |
ing hippies! :mad:
If they are pot-smoking lazy losers that can't get a decent job it's their fault, not Wall Street's. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paradox Lost
I can't imagine protests of this nature necessarily lending themselves to any meaningfully lasting movement.
There really appears to be no cohesive, reasonably defined set of tenets at the center of this. It seems as though every protestor offers a different explanation as to why and what they're protesting, and set within different ideological frameworks, resulting in the desire to overthrow some ill-defined edifice of authority the only conceptual commonality they share with each other.
As such, movements like this tend to attract the variety of person who knows they ought to be upset with something, but are unable to more precisely articulate what that something is. All it takes are a few key subversive words like 'occupation,' and an increasingly fashionable series of protests to bring these part-time activists out in droves. |
What are you talking about?
I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be:
- generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give -all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%).
- specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans.
- corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis.
these are the basic tenets of the group, which have been made exceedingly clear over and over again.
beyond this, these tenets affect everyone very differently - for example, the first item i posted can cover a variety of concerns from corporate environmental abuse to gender discrimination to online privacy concerns.
The occupation on this common ground thus provides solidarity for all of these various causes under a single '99%'-wide umbrella, giving people with all manner of concerns and ideas a voice and opportunity to speak that is larger than themselves alone.
This isn't about fighting the man, it's about fighting the anti-man. It's about self-respecting citizens standing up for themselves and their fellow human beings, standing on these basic 3 tenets.
Yes, of course there are some radicals who are part of the movement - why wouldn't they be? But this isn't about radical revolution as much as it is purely about justice and fairness.
Also, to be honest, from a conceptual standpoint, I find #OCCUPY to be kind of a misnomer - IMO it is more #LIBERATE than #OCCUPY - the occupation seems to me to be the anti-human corporate system that we've traded our souls to for stuff.
In any case, #OCCUPY is a powerful word that inspires direct action and enjoys wide usage, and that's only good for the movement. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
What are you talking about?
I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be:
- generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give -all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%).
- specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans.
- corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis.
these are the basic tenets of the group, which have been made exceedingly clear over and over again.
beyond this, these tenets affect everyone very differently - for example, the first item i posted can cover a variety of concerns from corporate environmental abuse to gender discrimination to online privacy concerns.
The occupation on this common ground thus provides solidarity for all of these various causes under a single '99%'-wide umbrella, giving people with all manner of concerns and ideas a voice and opportunity to speak that is larger than themselves alone.
This isn't about fighting the man, it's about fighting the anti-man. It's about self-respecting citizens standing up for themselves and their fellow human beings, standing on these basic 3 tenets.
Yes, of course there are some radicals who are part of the movement - why wouldn't they be? But this isn't about radical revolution as much as it is purely about justice and fairness.
Also, to be honest, from a conceptual standpoint, I find #OCCUPY to be kind of a misnomer - IMO it is more #LIBERATE than #OCCUPY - the occupation seems to me to be the anti-human corporate system that we've traded our souls to for stuff.
In any case, #OCCUPY is a powerful word that inspires direct action and enjoys wide usage, and that's only good for the movement. |
This +1
Oh, and Ron Paul for President. :p
(Just kidding 'bout Ron Paul) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Ron Paul would probably be the first, actual conservative in office in a very, very long time. It will never happen though. I blame Bruno! |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Ron Paul would probably be the first, actual conservative in office in a very, very long time. It will never happen though. I blame Bruno! |
quoted for truth |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
What are you talking about?
I'm not sure how much more clearly defined it can be:
- generally, corporate power needs to be checked at all times by the writ of the law of the people, since the goals of corporations are ultimately not aligned with goals of human beings, except for the few who sit at the top (and more importantly those who additionally don't give -all about anyone else), out of the splash zone (arbitrarily referred to as the 1%).
- specifically, the speculative financial industry should be held accountable for their illegal/fraudulent/exploitative manipulations of money at the cost of the economic solvency of what amounts to 99% of americans.
- corporate influence in politics needs to be eliminated - political funding should be on a limited, equal individual basis.
these are the basic tenets of the group, which have been made exceedingly clear over and over again.
beyond this, these tenets affect everyone very differently - for example, the first item i posted can cover a variety of concerns from corporate environmental abuse to gender discrimination to online privacy concerns.
The occupation on this common ground thus provides solidarity for all of these various causes under a single '99%'-wide umbrella, giving people with all manner of concerns and ideas a voice and opportunity to speak that is larger than themselves alone.
This isn't about fighting the man, it's about fighting the anti-man. It's about self-respecting citizens standing up for themselves and their fellow human beings, standing on these basic 3 tenets.
Yes, of course there are some radicals who are part of the movement - why wouldn't they be? But this isn't about radical revolution as much as it is purely about justice and fairness.
Also, to be honest, from a conceptual standpoint, I find #OCCUPY to be kind of a misnomer - IMO it is more #LIBERATE than #OCCUPY - the occupation seems to me to be the anti-human corporate system that we've traded our souls to for stuff.
In any case, #OCCUPY is a powerful word that inspires direct action and enjoys wide usage, and that's only good for the movement. |
Great post.
I find it so very interesting that time and again the whole "they have no goals" thing is being parroted on the news and radio. Seems a very fearful gasp by media corporations to me.
It's understandable that the occupation can be viewed as a listless mob; After all, there are literally as many reasons as there are people. It is however rather surprising that throngs of unsettled people speaking out against the tyranny of this rigged game is completely lost on some. True, there really isn't a committee with a figurehead and a court and a hierarchy to appeal to. That's why anarchy succeeds, though; Not because it is an establishment, but because its aim is to (ideally) sear change into society with its impermanence.
I'm rather disappointed to hear some of the criticisms from the non-Americans on here. You complain that America is an imperialist nation that will sooner pummel the third world than take a few hits to the chin and settle down in its corner. What entities do you think drive this machine of ours? It sure as hell isn't 99% of the American citizenship.
I'm not saying this is the ideal way to go about things, but I don't think anyone really knows what the ideal way to disrupt the commerce of largely unbridled corporatism really is; It sure as hell isn't voting for whomever you think will things up the least. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Only the establishment care about ties! Hal is a plant for The Man! |
Shhh, I have everything to gain from encouraging their inevitable downfall! |
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