so i just got back from liberty plaza - people are sharing strategies for dealing with the police tomorrow. the police are already bolstering along the edges, there are like rows of motorbikes and what not. some is going to go down, lots of good old fashioned civil disobedience.
'cleanup' begins at 7 tomorrow so I may wake up early with a couple of my friends and join the blockade.
Zyklon_Jay
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Originally posted by nefardec
so i just got back from liberty plaza - people are sharing strategies for dealing with the police tomorrow. the police are already bolstering along the edges, there are like rows of motorbikes and what not. some is going to go down, lots of good old fashioned civil disobedience.
'cleanup' begins at 7 tomorrow so I may wake up early with a couple of my friends and join the blockade.
but micheal kors is so having a sale demain.
nefardec
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
micheal kors
bleghhhhh
Zyklon_Jay
I say the same thing about size 13 heels:p
oh yes I did girlfriend. dial a bitch!:p
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by smokeu
Socialism has failed in Europe and banks there are struggling to keep Greece, Turkey, Italy, and others afloat.
Not a good system to mirror our economy off of which Obama has tried to do. Has ended up in a historic debt that our grandkids will inherit (your kid's kids), a steady and abysmal unemployment rate more like 16% than the advertised 9%, and an economy faltering which could topple the world's economy without some drastic and immediate action. That would mean firing the incumbents, including the Fed chief and the rest of the "ill" advisors which have sunk us into a funk, and putting someone else in charge to solve the problem.
Free enterprise has always proven to be a better substitute over socialism.
[[[smoke]]]
Yeah, it wasn’t free enterprise that caused the financial crisis and its aftermath or anything, lulz.
TranceArmstrong
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
corporations can do everything better than government.
shoes
food
iphones
jeans
internet
piano lessons
toasters
etc.
The burden of proof is on the US Federal government when it comes to allocating resources wisely. USPS? US Public Education? The Military? Cash for Clunkers (lol)? All dreadful wastes of money, no? Not really an idealistic stretch to say that...
And sadly I've actually never been out of the country for any extended time so I couldn't possibly know what "plenty of other countries" you're talking about. All I can really hang my hat on is that in general, the rise of economic liberalization has coincided with the decline of global poverty. If I am wrong on this, I have no business with an opinion on anything else, because it kind of all stems from this.
TranceArmstrong
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
free enterprise that caused the financial crisis
I don't mean to absolve the criminal banksters here, but there is no 2008 housing market crash without years of government and monetary policy leading up to it. I don't have the answers, but blaming "free enterprise" is not quite right.
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by smokeu
Socialism has failed in Europe and banks there are struggling to keep Greece, Turkey, Italy, and others afloat.
Not a good system to mirror our economy off of which Obama has tried to do. Has ended up in a historic debt that our grandkids will inherit (your kid's kids), a steady and abysmal unemployment rate more like 16% than the advertised 9%, and an economy faltering which could topple the world's economy without some drastic and immediate action. That would mean firing the incumbents, including the Fed chief and the rest of the "ill" advisors which have sunk us into a funk, and putting someone else in charge to solve the problem.
Free enterprise has always proven to be a better substitute over socialism.
[[[smoke]]]
Greece, Turkey, and Italy all have very corrupt governments with lots of graft and fraud.
What do you have to say about countries like Norway, Sweden and Denmark? What about Japan? Yes they have lots of debt, but not nearly as much as the US (in raw dollars) and they have a much, much, much higher quality of life and better services provided by their government. Also remember that yes, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark have very small populations, but Japan has over 150 million people and is in tenth largest country in the world by population.
The problem is not the government, its the people. The US just can not do socialism. We are incapable of doing it. Our society is not set up culturally to handle a system that rewards investment in national interests and the country's population as a whole.
REMEMBER WHEN WORKERS ARE HAPPY AND THE WAGE EARNER IS MAKING A GOOD LIVING ALL BUSINESSES WILL PROSPER! DO NOT GO FOR THE SHORT TERM, THINK OF THE LONG TERM!
Idiots!
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
USPS?
who services all those places that the private sector is not interested in serving?
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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
banksters
if you want to be taken seriously this isn't the word to use.
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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
I don't mean to absolve the criminal banksters here, but there is no 2008 housing market crash without years of government and monetary policy leading up to it.
the reduction of the funds rate by alan the ayn rand fan greenspan certainly played its part but
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Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
I don't have the answers, but blaming "free enterprise" is not quite right.
blaming free enterprise (both business and individuals) for the lion's share of the mistakes/damage is a reasonable position imo. indeed much government error involved reducing the role of government in financial oversight.
nefardec
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by nefardec
Thanks for posting this.:)
TranceArmstrong
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
who services all those places that the private sector is not interested in serving?
The USPS is undeniably a disaster. Is there a place these days that the internet can't put you in touch with, or Fed Ex can't deliver a package to?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the reduction of the funds rate by alan the ayn rand fan greenspan certainly played its part but
housing subsidies
permanently low interest rates
CRA (plz dont call me racist)
Freddie/Fannie
It doesn't matter if Greenspan is an Ayn Rand fan or a New York Yankees fan, he was a failure.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
blaming free enterprise (both business and individuals) for the lion's share of the mistakes/damage is a reasonable position imo. indeed much government error involved reducing the role of government in financial oversight.
Great, blame free enterprise, but don't blame capitalism as a system when we live under the influence of moral hazard, bailouts, too big to fail, artificial interest rates and permanent stimulus
