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LCBO and Liquor Prices - wtf? (pg. 3)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nicolas Oliver
No, it was a disaster. |
I don't know if it was a disaster.
During prohibition in the USA:
| quote: | E. Deets Pickett, who was Associate Editor of the American Prohibition Yearbook
-Wife beating and lack of family support decreased 82%
-Drunkenness decreased 55.3%
-Assault decreased 53.1%
-Vagrancy decreased 52.8%
-Disorderly conduct decreased 51.5%
-Delinquency decreased 50.0%
-Deaths due to cirrhosis decreased 50.0%
-The number of inmates in jails and prisons decreased 75%, and
many correctional institutions were closed entirely
-General domestic complaints decreased by two-thirds
-County hospital death rates were historically low
-Alcohol became almost unavailable
-Prostitution decreased
-The national crime rate (excluding Chicago) declined 38%; in Chicago, the crime rate declined 25% (despite some well-publicized criminal events)
-Savings accounts tripled
-Insurance policies written doubled
-Real estate values increased dramatically, due to home improvements
-Families became better clothed
-Attendance at churches and schools became more regular
-Factory job attendence and job performance greatly increased
-Demand for services at welfare missions decreased by half
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| Mach X |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't know if it was a disaster.
During prohibition in the USA: |
Fair enough, but then why was it repealed?
And, I've been watching alot of this, and it looks like drinking, crime, prostitution, corruption and violence still happened! :p Every time I watch this show I want to pour myself two fingers of a nice scotch or whiskey.
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
You think? I'm not talking just about last call. I am talking about just regular, ongoing, alcohol abuse - the prevalence and acceptance in our society of getting wasted. I think this is so ingrained in our culture that if you got rid of last call we would just drink til dawn instead of go home. We don't drink moderately like people in other countries do.
There have been studies done that correlate more northern climates with higher drinking rates while more moderate consumption happens closer to the equator. That could be why you see higher taxes and restricted drinking hours in places like Canada, England, Finland, Russia... |
I think a lot of the problem does boil down to time. We rush to the LCBO before it closes, we rush in and out of the bar before last call, we rush before TTC service is cut off. We rush to the beer stand at a Jays game before they cut it off at the 7th inning, and get two beers for our selves.
If we just let things drag out, perception of access to alcohol would change pretty quickly, maybe even in one generation.
If you take a trip to a cottage, vs a night out in Toronto as a comparison, I see a difference. At a cottage you have all day to just chill and drink, relax, sit around. You could do the same thing at home before clubbing, but we don't. Everybody comes over at 10pm, you down shots until 11pm and stand in line waiting to get as may drinks as possible between the time you get into the club and last call.
But all of this changes with age as well. In the last few years, I have slowed down, and started to enjoy drinks more, rather than just drinking to get drunk (definition of binge drinking). Now I can afford a nicer scotch, and sip it, instead of just getting cheap shots of Russian Prince Vodka.
Things in Europe as not as rosy as some would make it seem. After traveling through a few countries, the most common smells were: puke, piss, and beer. Which IMO all go hand in hand, and are part of the big drinking culture over there. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nicolas Oliver
No, it was a disaster. |
I was actually being sarcastic with my post, lol |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
But all of this changes with age as well. |
I guess, but I think in the younger age brackets certain nations have a higher rate of binge drinking. I would guess the countries I mentioned above would be included in that.
Sure, Canadian habits and attitudes may change within a generation, but what happens to that generation? No politician wants the fallout from looser alcohol laws on their clock. |
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| slingshot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
:rolleyes:
ok, If you know anyone from those countries, or have visited for any length of time, you can see a much more relaxed, moderate attitude towards alcohol in southern climates vs northern ones. Is my own observation more/less flawed than some study you've never seen but have already discredited?
Did you just say "spurious results"? |
hahahaha, I did....as it's the proper terminology to describe what I'm talking about.
It makes sense though...we live in a darker, rainier, colder climate...this bears with it psychological effects which make something like drinking more prevalent. We're also much richer....generally speaking, we're able to afford alcohol...I wouldn't go as far as classifying alcohol as a luxury good...but if you're looking at aggregate statistics, a higher income level will definitely produce a higher correlation to alcohol consumption. You're telling me drinking isn't as much a part of Australian culture as it is in the countries you've mentioned? Australia certainly fits your southern-esque moderate climate criteria. |
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| djmanu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Things in Europe as not as rosy as some would make it seem. After traveling through a few countries, the most common smells were: puke, piss, and beer. Which IMO all go hand in hand, and are part of the big drinking culture over there. |
I lived in Belgium all my life and it seemed like everyone was getting wasted on friday saturday night till 6am, it was considered normal even when I was 16 years old.
It's so part of the culture that parents find normal that their child comes home wasted at 6am, nobody didn't care.
Here in Montreal I do the same but because it ends at 3am we begin earlier, seems like it's part of the local culture as well but it's way more expensive.
My friends from Europe are also amazed when I tell them that Alcohol ends at 3am and It's only sold in Government store, they ask me how can I live in a such a place lol |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mach X
And, I've been watching alot of this, and it looks like drinking, crime, prostitution, corruption and violence still happened! :p Every time I watch this show I want to pour myself two fingers of a nice scotch or whiskey.
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+1 the season finale was a tad weird. |
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| PurpleHaze |
| random drunk question - why are cigarettes, which a government regulated product as is liqour and beer, sold at different prices within ontario? I can get a pack of parliaments across the st from me in scarborough for $9 taxes in, but in kitchener, the same pack of cigarettes costs $11?? :conf: |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
It turned many people into entrepreneurs |
Let's encourage entrepreneurs that don't have to pack heat as a job requirement. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
I think a lot of the problem does boil down to time. We rush to the LCBO before it closes, we rush in and out of the bar before last call, we rush before TTC service is cut off. We rush to the beer stand at a Jays game before they cut it off at the 7th inning, and get two beers for our selves.
If we just let things drag out, perception of access to alcohol would change pretty quickly, maybe even in one generation.
If you take a trip to a cottage, vs a night out in Toronto as a comparison, I see a difference. At a cottage you have all day to just chill and drink, relax, sit around. You could do the same thing at home before clubbing, but we don't. Everybody comes over at 10pm, you down shots until 11pm and stand in line waiting to get as may drinks as possible between the time you get into the club and last call.
But all of this changes with age as well. In the last few years, I have slowed down, and started to enjoy drinks more, rather than just drinking to get drunk (definition of binge drinking). Now I can afford a nicer scotch, and sip it, instead of just getting cheap shots of Russian Prince Vodka.
Things in Europe as not as rosy as some would make it seem. After traveling through a few countries, the most common smells were: puke, piss, and beer. Which IMO all go hand in hand, and are part of the big drinking culture over there. |
These were my thoughts as well. It would make things better because people wouldn't feel the need to pound back 10 shots before last call in order to keep going. It's why people pre drink, why people drink on the subway etc. When I vacation I have a beer maybe before we party, then keep going and pace myself. Decent buzz. Unlike here where alot of people get faced because they are limited with time constraints.
As for the further south you go the more relaxed people are, maybe but what about scandinavian countries? I'm not sure but I'd be surprised if there was a last call in say Iceland. I've heard it's a very very relaxed place and there in the northern hemisphere... |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by PurpleHaze
random drunk question - why are cigarettes, which a government regulated product as is liqour and beer, sold at different prices within ontario? I can get a pack of parliaments across the st from me in scarborough for $9 taxes in, but in kitchener, the same pack of cigarettes costs $11?? :conf: |
im going to guess that its because cigarettes are sold from independent retailers whom are allowed to charge whatever they want. |
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