Yeah, you can also just extract the groove of a track that you like and then apply that to your stuff, which is what I tend to do as I have no idea what I'm doing in this department.
Raphie
"Groove is in the heart" :D
MSZ
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by MSZ
So ing true.
Not to say us honkies don't have groove from time to time, but black and latin musicians always have so much more funk.
for instance, we did a full orchestra recording for a medium budget film using local classical LA musicians. You literally could pick out the (one) black guy in the orchestra (out of 50) as he was playing in the pocket on cello (and it sounded better that the guys playing straight). It was just the tiniest bit late on the bar timings, but all to tempo and never out of sync.
It can be the smallest of changes that give the grove some power - try thing slike just offsetting ever other hat by a small nudge, then go the other way with the toms. Now nudge your bass notes to fit right between them - only a tiny adjustment is needed, and then listen to what happens.
in fairness though, groove is one of the most difficult things to get right as it's about how things interact, not individual elements by themselves. It's like baking cake - you know how one ingredient tastes, but just by altering, subtracting or adding other elements can completely change the taste, how it rises and the consistancy - groove programming is exactly the same thing. You really have to know about how individual parts relate to create the resultant sum.
Here's hwo to rip them from either midi or audio in Logic:
MSZ
i think some people try to hard too create a groove, and they end up failing. if i said groove comes naturally that would be pretty cliche. if you cant dance, or have ever danced, im not sure how you could feel it very well. i love the lateral feeling of groove. check out this honkey, so minimal yet so groovy.
Fledz
Velocity is a really important one as has been mentioned. Just varying the difference can make a drastic difference.
I also try to use a drum machine/keys to record notes as it gives a naturally feel. If I need to quantize, I do it manually to keep what I want and move around what needs fixing.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by Sean Walsh
Yeah, you can also just extract the groove of a track that you like and then apply that to your stuff, which is what I tend to do as I have no idea what I'm doing in this department.
this is the big misconception.
Every element will have a different quantization grid or groove template. You can't just apply 1 and expect it to work. This is the same as hard quantizing with swing.
Sean Walsh
, of course. This explains so much.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by MSZ
i think some people try to hard too create a groove, and they end up failing. if i said groove comes naturally that would be pretty cliche. if you cant dance, or have ever danced, im not sure how you could feel it very well. i love the lateral feeling of groove. check out this honkey, so minimal yet so groovy.
No , it really doesn't. But just to humour you
i used the main loop. Applied 4 drastically different quantizations. the original, 16th note , 2 swing settings all hard quantized. You can't tell. And this is why the groove is non existent.
I'm not even certain if this is just a cheap imitation of what you're talking to, L4C, but this was made in Reason 5. The first part, which is actually the end of a song, was made with ReGroove on. The last half of it (a little more than half, actually) has no tracks assigned to ReGroove - it's strictly quantized to the 1/16th note.
Whether I've missed the point or not, there is a discernible difference between the "groovy" side opposed to the other one.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Okay. I'll put my head on the choppy block.
I'm not even certain if this is just a cheap imitation of what you're talking to, L4C, but this was made in Reason 5. The first part, which is actually the end of a song, was made with ReGroove on. The last half of it (a little more than half, actually) has no tracks assigned to ReGroove - it's strictly quantized to the 1/16th note.
Whether I've missed the point or not, there is a discernible difference between the "groovy" side opposed to the other one.
I agree with the last sentence of this - it's straight as well as having groove, but having said that, it't not amazing example of groove, and it;s a little too separated for me anyway.
This is an oldie but shows how different sample and groves can be combined well - listen to the how the woods, claps, shakers and the metals play off each other....
