sounds like trance to me. Sounds like a mix of everything.
ALl the hard trance djs play it. Ya, it doens't sound like the type of trance that hasn't changed in 10 years. But there is more in common with trance than there is with house.
Electro house took a lot of things from hard trance in the early stages.Justice then changed it and lately it was getting its cues from dnb but the melodic hook is clearly something you would find in trance, not house. . this whole genre game is for retards.
You can play it in a trance set, a hard trance set, a house set. That should let you know how relevant genres are at this point.
It isn't just one dj. All the big trance djs that play the harder stuff are playing this kind of stuff because it fits, It doesn't even stand out like someone just playing a track because they like it.
There is no such thing as trance or house anymore. EVery genre is a mix of all those basic genres. Some lean a bit more to one but some are so in the middle, you can't label it.
Richard Butler
This example here of groove you gave is not groovey in any way. The snare and some other sounds ARE crucial to take something from 'ok' as this is, to being groovey and meaningful. This example screams white Man drummer and is everything I spurned as a kid. I used to hear this sh1t in Oxford street music shops - the usualy skinny white guy thinking he was funky, and me being embarassed to be white as the black kids raised eyes to heaven. This has no feel or funk at all. It's just clever timing.
We ain't gonna agree here, but I'm happy with my own definitions.
The amen break is so much more than just the timing, the sound styling is equally if not more important.
Looney4Clooney
well you are wrong.
you will not find one musician in agreement with you. Not one. Bohnmam is really if you were to rank them one of the top 5 grooviest drummers. Again , this comes down to you not being a musician and not having the ear to understand what we are really talking about. I think you are associating the word with an austin powers movie.
You won't find one musician talking about the amen break. It is only nerd talk that EDM people do. Musicians might talk about Clyde and the drummers that did similar stuff with James Brown but the amen break is really not that important as much as those stupid videos tend to make it.
You will however find every musician in every genre agree that Bohnman was one of the grooviest drummers of all time.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
well you are wrong.
you will not find one musician in agreement with you. Not one.
Bollox, you may know your quavers from your minims, but your notion of groove is not somthing I could remotely relate to
Looney4Clooney
lol
look
i am telling you
There is not one musician alive. Ask the best funk players of all time, ask bootsy, ask james brown and they will tell you, because they have said that bohnam was a groovy drummer that couldn't be white.
If that isn't groovy, you just don't get it. This is not my opinon, this is an universal truth that is agreed upon by every single musician that is good. Bohnman, say what you want about the band, was a groovy drummer. I don't know how else to say it. And that actual groove is probably the most known drum beat on the planet. Like in the top 10.
So to here you, a non musician say I am wrong, well its kinda sad. You aren't disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with every single revelevent musican since he played. And when i say every, i mean every. You will not find one musician say other wise.
I think the issue is that your concept of groove is stuck to one genre. YOu don't really get it. Rock can groove. Not everything groovy is funky and I think that is what you think groove is. But Bohnam influenced every funk drummer that was a big player in the 70s. THey all used his ghost note triplet technique and i suppose perdy;s' tricks too that jazz guys did but kinda wasn't really in the limelight.
dj_alfi
This is pretty groovy, right?
cryophonik
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
This example here of groove you gave is not groovey in any way.
Sorry, Richard, gotta disagree. It may not be the best example of Bonham's groovability, but it grooves. As I alluded to earlier, it's hard to judge groove in isolation without some other context (i.e., other instruments), but drums can groove since they are actually several instruments (kick, snare, HHs, toms, ride, etc.). I think if you were to hear that exact same performance with some funky bass, guitar, and keys, you'd change your mind.
Looney4Clooney
the fact that you have people saying what Richard is saying is kinda why Dance producers suck for the most part. I mean its a small thing but a big thing. A bunch of musically challenged dorks using sequencers. I mean the fact i had to explain who he is , that is in itself i mean pathetic.
How can you not know just general stuff about music. This isn't highbrow. I mean its like not knowing who the beatles are. This sort of tunnel vision is rampant. Every single discipline builds on the greats of yesterday and the fact that too many people making EDM can't name a single tune before Godskitchen started making compilation cds is just embarrassing. EDM seems to be the only genre that just listens to itself. Well not all artists. The good ones as you will find acftually listen to music of all kinds. But the Richard Butlers, the hacks that just pump into the beaport meatgrinder are so entrenched in their stupid scene or genre that they just don't know a single thing about music other than, kick goes 1 2 3 4, clap 2 4, side chain.
Beatflux
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the beatles
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Every single discipline builds on the greats of yesterday
TranceLover007
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
This example here of groove you gave is not groovey in any way. The snare and some other sounds ARE crucial to take something from 'ok' as this is, to being groovey and meaningful. This example screams white Man drummer and is everything I spurned as a kid. I used to hear this sh1t in Oxford street music shops - the usualy skinny white guy thinking he was funky, and me being embarassed to be white as the black kids raised eyes to heaven. This has no feel or funk at all. It's just clever timing.
We ain't gonna agree here, but I'm happy with my own definitions.
The amen break is so much more than just the timing, the sound styling is equally if not more important.
His drums by itself sounded like a full track lol, makes me shack my head (reminds me of all good time lol) - love how he was able to create this groove by accenting kick, snare, HHs, toms in specific time - wanted me to start playing some all fashion Rock again lol - damn all good times !!!
