Originally posted by DJRYAN™
well now I'm more confused. It sounds like there's groove, and then there's groove. Ahh. I'm just going to keep changing velocities, implement more question and answer elements, and apply some shuffle. Maybe by combining all these things I'll get more groove. Not that groove the other groove. LOL!!
see i think the problem is that like say looking at your concert schedule., all EDM.
You won't ever develop an ear for groove listening to modern EDM. And it is something you will have to develop in order to hear it in a way that you understand why it sounds the way it sounds.
Like why does this sound rushed or relaxed. The only way you get that sort of intuition is by listening and playing music. Live music.
I think alot of loops people use are made by people that have already made it groove so it sort of translates to the track. It is a lame way but thats usually why some tracks groove as I honestly don't know too many EDM artists that are musicians in the traditional sense. Not that EDM producers aren't musicians. I think they are. Its just that they lack a certain training just like a drummer that only does drums would not know anything about production.
Beatflux
I made two loops. One has the hihats shuffled around a bit, the other one doesn't. Kick and Snare are straight on.
one has swing , one doesn't. Neither groove. Swing is not groove. how many times do i need to say it. I shouldn't say don't. They just don't groove alot. THey are both hard quantized, both static.
Here's the way I see it. Swing does not create groove, it only shuffles the groove that's already there to make it more audible.
DJRYAN™
I just figured that groove was the way a drummer played the drums in order to convey a feeling. I'm sure that's part of it. One can't play the drums the same way on every song. But how to transfer groove to EDM? If most EDM tracks don't have groove. Lets say they have shuffle. Is it that important for EDM?
Richard Butler
For me one of the best all time grooves, but note the percs are simple. This for me demonstrates the crucial groove imparted by the right sound choices. If this bassline was done with a slapback guitar it would be terrible.
Looney4Clooney
but a slap back guitar has temporal distortion so that isn't the same. Sound selection is something that adds to a track but if it doesn't groove prior, sounds won't change that. So no. Groove is quite easy to maybe not make a rule but to actually observe it. You can take an audiofile, to a spectral analysis, find out where the hits of each instrument fall and observe where they don't hit together. It really is that simple.
mathieu
track delay is a simple way to make things groove a little bit more, its still static but things are offsetted more, it doesnt beat black drummer grooves, but it sounds better than having hard quantized
vt100
something i always loved about live music was how easy groove seemed to happen. Its not even conscious but just the musicians playing off each other. Its kind of magic when its all just working.
Something I have a hell of a time reproducing in my home computer music for sure.
Looney4Clooney
it really takes a lifetime to develop your ear so that you can actually hear these small time differences. Like tap out quarter notes and record yourself. Probably feels in time but when you listen back, it sounds awful. It is something that takes about 20 years to get good at,
