Can't tell. I can't tell what the difference is between M4B and Eddie's either.
cryophonik
In the first example, the drums and bass are played naturally with variation in the timing and accents, the bass is playing behind the groove, and they both are in sync with the congas.
In the second example, the kick drum is playing 4/floor, everything is hard-quantized, and the levels of the drums and bass are flattened to kill any accents. Congas are the same in both parts, but they feel off in the second, and the rigid feel of the drums and bass makes the bass feel like it is rushing rather than sitting in the pocket, particularly during the fast notes.
Sean Walsh
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Originally posted by cryophonik
Which one has more groove?
I listened to this a few in a row focusing entirely on the bassline and just started confusing myself.
Then I finally noticed that in the first sample, the velocity of the hat changes quite a bit, whereas in the second one it's a solid 'TAP TAP TAP TAP" sound.
E: Just saw your reply. I couldn't pinpoint in either example where the bass was playing in relation to the kick. I'll have to listen to it a few more times now that I've been told and see if I can actually notice the difference and pass a blind listening test.
Fledz
I can hear it. First one in Cryos example definitely sounds better to me, it's got some funk to it.
Eddie - I don't care what that is, but it's awesome!
Looney4Clooney
they both kinda suck but the first one sounds more real ie the second sounds like a robot. Drums are obviously not played and the bass line is kinda meh.
again people are confusing groove with being funky. This isn't groove. Just a type of groove.
here . Listen to that drum beat. If you can't hear that , quit.
cryophonik
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Drums are obviously not played
Well, sorta. The part was played by a live drummer with an electronic kit and recorded to MIDI. The MIDI is triggering EZDrummer.
JEO
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
When I tap on my knees, focusing on the guitar, I notice the drummer's kick comes almost half a second after mine. Just an observation.
Edit: Also, now that I went and tried to record something live, I noticed I play a bit ahead of the metronome / other instruments, and just can't get my snare to land exactly where I want it. It's time to do some rhytmic training. If that doesn't fix it I actually am becoming quite sure I'm in some way retarded.
Richard Butler
Here's a track I think has the ultimate groove, but some folk will think this is robotic quantisation.
Try and make a groove as good as this has at 2 minutes - the bass is very complex indeed using automated verb and what seems like a single offset note hit is in fact made up of several rapid note plays. Also notice the almost lazy hatz;
Beatflux
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Here's a track I think has the ultimate groove, but some folk will think this is robotic quantisation.
Try and make a groove as good as this has at 2 minutes - the bass is very complex indeed using automated verb and what seems like a single offset note hit is in fact made up of several rapid note plays. Also notice the almost lazy hatz;
Sounds stiff. I wonder if people who just listen to just EDM think that rock is too loose or that something is off?
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I agree with the last sentence of this - it's straight as well as having groove, but having said that, it't not amazing example of groove, and it;s a little too separated for me anyway.
What does separated mean? I know it's probably something I should know but...
