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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
So you're logic |
Stopped reading there. |
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| srussell0018 |
It's kind of funny the people who automatically think that this is some grand scheme to strip away the civil liberties of all Americans. I also find it equally funny that all of the people arguing against this are white males. Regardless, if these kinds of policies were upheld before 9/11, and these policies particularly were responsible from preventing 9/11 altogether, what would you say then?
Right, I forgot, this has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. The US Government just likes holding people indefinitely with no just cause. THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME RIGHT? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I was being more facetious than anything else. But thanks. I wasn't trying to write this off as being necessary or called for in any way. It's not. |
I meant that the NDAA, itself, has existed for almost 50 years; I wasn't exactly responding to your point. Because I don't think it's an invalid point to think that the authorities can find a way to do just about anything they want these days. The importance of these recent amendments, which as of today, our President rescinded his threat to veto, is that nobody can contest them in the court of law. Ever. If you are accused of being a terrorist or of supporting terrorist, our government will now be able to send their military police after you to hold you until the "end of hostilities". That is, until America wins the war on terror.
Apparently, nobody deserves their day in court. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Regardless, if these kinds of policies were upheld before 9/11, and these policies particularly were responsible from preventing 9/11 altogether, what would you say then? |
You're so full of hypotheticals, it's a wonder you even exist. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Stopped reading there. |
Oh son. AMENDED! |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I meant that the NDAA, itself, has existed for almost 50 years; I wasn't exactly responding to your point. Because I don't think it's an invalid point to think that the authorities can find a way to do just about anything they want these days. The importance of these recent amendments, which as of today, our President rescinded his threat to veto, is that nobody can contest them in the court of law. Ever. If you are accused of being a terrorist or of supporting terrorist, our government will now be able to send their military police after you to hold you until the "end of hostilities". That is, until America wins the war on terror.
Apparently, nobody deserves their day in court. |
This is a very grandiose misrepresentation of reality. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
It's kind of funny the people who automatically think that this is some grand scheme to strip away the civil liberties of all Americans. I also find it equally funny that all of the people arguing against this are white males. Regardless, if these kinds of policies were upheld before 9/11, and these policies particularly were responsible from preventing 9/11 altogether, what would you say then?
Right, I forgot, this has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. The US Government just likes holding people indefinitely with no just cause. THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME RIGHT? |
No, it's not some grand scheme.
Government is force. This is what it was meant to do.
This is a failure on the behalf of the American people and its elected officials to inadequately safeguard our civil liberties to a fair trial. That's simplifying it quite a bit, but Congress' approval rating diving below 10% is gross failure of the republic. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That is, until America wins the war on terror. |
This is the war that never ends,
And it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started fighting it
Not knowing what it was
And others kept on fighting it
Forever just because
This is the war that never ends... |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
This is a very grandios misrepresentation of reality. |
grandiose* |
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| tubularbills |
| what should be changed about this to fit anyone's thoughts? |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
You're so full of hypotheticals, it's a wonder you even exist. |
OH LOOK A CANADIAN WHO IS CRITICIZING THE LAWS OF AMERICA. THIS IS SO OUT OF CHARACTER I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO RESPOND.
You seem to know little of what you're talking about. Regardless of what Americans think their rights consist of, their rights consist of what is governed by the legislative branch of the government.
Yes, I realize it is fashionable to suppose that the legislative branch of government is "out to get" the average American citizen, but this is simply not true at all. Suppose the example that all people with shaved heads were people who made it a policy of killing or hurting black people. Would you not make it a priority to stop and question these individuals when boarding a means of public transportation (which flies through the air and has very little room for error)? If so, then how is this any different than the arabs who are stopped for security checks of people who are boarding airline flights in the US.
Think of the major airline disasters/terrorist activity in the past decade. Who has it been carried out by? You honestly think that just because 100% of the major air disasters that have been caused by terrorism were caused by Islamic perpetrators, has absolutely no justification on detaining certain individuals who might fit the general description of those types of individuals?
If there were a string of school shootings who were all perpetrated by Hasidic Jews in the US, do you think it is completely unconscionable to detain Hasidic jews when entering a school zone?
Hypotheticals or not, you're speaking in idealisms. The world today cannot be pigeonholed into idealisms like this. Policies are made to protect the society. If this interferes with the "rights" of a select few, I really don't think it's something worth criticizing an entire government over. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Oh, please keep going. This is definitely about the TSA. Uh-huh. |
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