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The Official TOTA TFC/soccer/footy thread (pg. 5)
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I think the FA is finished with their foreign manager experiment. With only one England friendly between now and the end of the season, I think Harry Redknapp is the logical choice to take over for Euros, after that, they can take their time and wait for the right english born candidate. |
lol. srsly. what other decent English manager is out there, after 'Arry? |
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| timmyboy |
Dont think Harry would take the job. What's in it for him? He's having a stellar season with Spurs and risking it at the Euros... His time has not come yet.
If they go local, it'll probably be Stuart Pearce. |
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| Special K |
IMO Harry would have taken the job 100% AFTER the Euro's this summer. But i'm not so sure I see him taking on the task of the England manager NOW. Capello just totally F'ed over the FA with his decision today :haha:
BTW interesting read from a few months ago ...
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/engla...nham-boss-harry |
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| timmyboy |
Not so sure he would either.
Harry seems like a smart man and the English team is an ageing squad.
To please the media, they need to crack the semis or better.
Which means beating Spain or Italy this summer. Doable if you dont end up playing Spain.
But the next World Cup? In Brazil? there is not a chance they will make it to the semis. None!
So why bother setting yourself up now, when you can wait till after the 2014 WC. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy
Dont think Harry would take the job. What's in it for him? He's having a stellar season with Spurs and risking it at the Euros... His time has not come yet.
If they go local, it'll probably be Stuart Pearce. |
Pearce apparently is going to be interim, at least the manager for next friendly fixture. But Pearce really doesn't seem an inspired choice. Another McLaren |
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| timmyboy |
True but there really isnt and inspiring choice... if they werent so hell bent against a foreign coach - Hiddink would be a perfect fit. Hes the master of preparing a team for a tournament.
I guess Harry could take the job but only if he thinks of an exit strategy in case of a failure... like "I didnt have time to prepare" oir something like that |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
lol. srsly. what other decent English manager is out there, after 'Arry? |
Allardyce. Pardew. Hodgson.
Harry is obviously the best choice, but he won't do it long term right now. If he gets involved, it'll only be for Euros. He's happy with Spurs and if things go as expected, will be taking them into Europe next year. That's where his priorities are. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Allardyce. Pardew. Hodgson.
Harry is obviously the best choice, but he won't do it long term right now. If he gets involved, it'll only be for Euros. He's happy with Spurs and if things go as expected, will be taking them into Europe next year. That's where his priorities are. |
I dunno. If 'Aarry gets offered the England job, I don't think he could turn it down, as much as he loves the Spurs.
As much as I love Big Sam, I don't think he's good enough for England. Plus he's a long ball guy, and I don't think current England set up is suitable for his style of play. (unless Peter Crouch gets the nod again, and England doesn't have another target man striker like him)
Hodgson has the experience, but hasn't done well enough at high level IMO, esp recently. Questions remain whether he can control the characters in a locker room, as evident by his failure at Liverpool.
Pardew would be best out of those three, but he's still relatively unproven, even if he has proven that he can be a good club manager with both West Ham and Newcastle. I'd wait and see until if Pardew proves to be the real deal.
I'd love to see what Ian Holloway could do with England squad, but he's even more less proven than above three. But I love his style of play...
You need someone with proven resume and strong personality to manage England, and you probably have to look outside England for that |
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| l8trsk8trs |
Not sure of the source on this, but it sums up my thoughts brilliantly...
"Capello removed the captaincy from Terry for sleeping with his team-mates girlfriend, but for a racial slur caught on video Capello didn't feel that was serious enough to strip the captaincy so the England FA had to step in and do it. He claims Terry (despite being caught on film) is innocent until proven guilty and is willing to resign over the FA decision. Damn hypocrite! During Capello's first year as England coach he and the FA suspended Steven Gerrard from the England team and stripped him of the captaincy while he was going through a trial for assault in a bar. A charge of which Gerrard was later found innocent.
In most places of employment, especially one's where you represent the organization or are in public office it is a regular practice to be suspended or step down pending investigation so as not to be a distraction and to focus on clearing your name. Being the captain of the football team representing a multi-racial country like England should be viewed the same way".
Sure - Innocent until proven guilty. Right. That logic doesn't seem to follow Capello’s history. I think the FA gave Capello an out - and he went running for zi hills. The FA in turn, knows that without Rooney - they've got to play a different game - so it works for all parties. |
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| timmyboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by l8trsk8trs
Not sure of the source on this, but it sums up my thoughts brilliantly...
"Capello removed the captaincy from Terry for sleeping with his team-mates girlfriend, but for a racial slur caught on video Capello didn't feel that was serious enough to strip the captaincy so the England FA had to step in and do it. He claims Terry (despite being caught on film) is innocent until proven guilty and is willing to resign over the FA decision. Damn hypocrite! During Capello's first year as England coach he and the FA suspended Steven Gerrard from the England team and stripped him of the captaincy while he was going through a trial for assault in a bar. A charge of which Gerrard was later found innocent.
In most places of employment, especially one's where you represent the organization or are in public office it is a regular practice to be suspended or step down pending investigation so as not to be a distraction and to focus on clearing your name. Being the captain of the football team representing a multi-racial country like England should be viewed the same way".
Sure - Innocent until proven guilty. Right. That logic doesn't seem to follow Capello’s history. I think the FA gave Capello an out - and he went running for zi hills. The FA in turn, knows that without Rooney - they've got to play a different game - so it works for all parties. |
I don't think thats accurate.
Gerrard captained England once in the beginning of Capello's tenure. And that was the first game with the idea that his first 3 games in charge he would rotate between Gerrard, Rio and Terry. They all got one game and he settled on Terry. There was nothing about any assault influencing any decision.
In terms of the FA stripping of the captaincy:
1. FA has the right to remove a player from the squad for whatever reason but the captaincy is in the hands of the manager.
2. Their claims of it being a disruption is BS as they still kept Terry in the squad and he still has to partner Rio.
3. They could have come out and dished out a sentence to Terry right after the Suarez affair but decided to be cowardly and let the courts deal with it. Well you cant have it both ways: either you think hes guilty and suspend him in the EPL and do whatever with the national team or wait for the court.
So the FA ed this up nice and proper. Now England has no captain and no manager.
And btw, Capello is the "winningest" coach in England history. Yeah the WC performance was bad but whens the last time England did well especially on a different continent.
Good luck finding a good replacement manager now. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by l8trsk8trs
Not sure of the source on this, but it sums up my thoughts brilliantly...
"Capello removed the captaincy from Terry for sleeping with his team-mates girlfriend, but for a racial slur caught on video Capello didn't feel that was serious enough to strip the captaincy so the England FA had to step in and do it. He claims Terry (despite being caught on film) is innocent until proven guilty and is willing to resign over the FA decision. Damn hypocrite! During Capello's first year as England coach he and the FA suspended Steven Gerrard from the England team and stripped him of the captaincy while he was going through a trial for assault in a bar. A charge of which Gerrard was later found innocent.
In most places of employment, especially one's where you represent the organization or are in public office it is a regular practice to be suspended or step down pending investigation so as not to be a distraction and to focus on clearing your name. Being the captain of the football team representing a multi-racial country like England should be viewed the same way".
Sure - Innocent until proven guilty. Right. That logic doesn't seem to follow Capello’s history. I think the FA gave Capello an out - and he went running for zi hills. The FA in turn, knows that without Rooney - they've got to play a different game - so it works for all parties. |
it's not proven whether Terry used a racial slur... certainly from the videos I've seen. Has anyone found a video that shows exactly what he says? (trying to lip read doesn't count)
I do agree that Capello took the chance to jump ship... England is no better than it was at WC2010. England might not even make it out of the group stage |
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| l8trsk8trs |
My memory is a sieve when it comes to this stuff... But you're right I don't recall Stevie being stripped due to the assault charge --> I think it had more to do with Capello wanting Terry back.
Stevie also captained England for the 2010 WC - mostly due to default as Rio wasn't available.
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy
3. They could have come out and dished out a sentence to Terry right after the Suarez affair but decided to be cowardly and let the courts deal with it. Well you cant have it both ways: either you think hes guilty and suspend him in the EPL and do whatever with the national team or wait for the court. |
I did read somewhere that the reason this wasn't dealt with by the FA was because the complaint didn't come from a player, but a member of the public, and hence why they decided not to meddle...
| quote: | And btw, Capello is the "winningest" coach in England history. Yeah the WC performance was bad but whens the last time England did well especially on a different continent.
Good luck finding a good replacement manager now. |
What else matters other than Euro's and WC?? C’mon. The mentality of England's national side has to change in order for them to do something. Capello played the same ol' style. I’m personally hoping Harry comes calling - I think his pride will lead him away from Spurs. |
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