Originally posted by Miss Pie
Not everybody's goal when they have a terminal illness is to live as many extra years as they can. In fact most terminally ill/dying people don't want that, but rather to live what time they have left to the fullest. I'm not sure if you'r aware, but cancer treatment can be really aggressive, and it beats the out of people almost as badly as the cancer itself. Perhaps people that choose alternative medicine do so merely to enjoy a better quality of life, however limited it may be. ;)
Hard...core. Definitely worth a read and quite honest
However, it's one thing when you have a treatable form of cancer and another even one is terminally ill. Advocating doing nothing isn' the best option, imo.
So, note to self: no yak piss, monkey anus, etc. - all or nothing.
Couldn't help but see some parallels to my father, a chemist working in the pharmaceutical industry who generally rejects such drugs--will almost never take aspirin and has undergone 2 root canals with no anesthesia as per his own wishes.
zyklon-jay
so your retardation is from your fathers side...got it.
wienerschnitzel
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Vivid Boy
unaired footage of the beastie boys on chapelle show. Goddamn bring back Chapelle show...wicka wicka freeeessshhhh *sniffs finger*
Vector A
As far as I have read, Jobs genuinely thought that his "alternative" treatment would be at least as effective as the conventional sort at curing his cancer or delaying its spread. It is not that the was choosing a "palliative" alternative treatment in a conscious exchange for a shorter but more pleasant lifespan, but rather that he (or whoever was feeding him the alternative medicine hooey) didn't properly assess the facts of the medical situation.
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
undergone 2 root canals with no anesthesia
:wtf:
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Oh really? And how do you know what dying people want? Spent a lot of time with the sick and dying, have you?
im not really interested in "oh i hang out with old people before they snuff it" without any additional comments. what i posted is perfectly sound and logical. someone can't claim to be focusing on alternative "medicine" only for their quality of life concerns, because that doesn't make more sense than doing nothing and spending that time/effort/money they're wasting on voodoo BS on actually making the most of the time they have left.
if someone is wasting their efforts on bull then its not just about the quality of their life, but also their stupidity and faith in demonstrable nonsense. if they didn't have this faith then there's no reason at all to favour bollocks over inaction. that's their choice of course, as it is mine to criticise them for it.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by srussell0018
You'd be right if the tumor was metastatic when it was found, which it wasn't.
So still, you're dumb.
Soooooo, at first I'm "wrong" due to the life expectancy of pancreatic (so you got bitchslapped for that), then again I'm "wrong" when you try to divert it about being a specific type of panceatic cancer (again bitchslapped), then I'm "wrong" again because of the specific type of tumor? Man this isn;t going well for you.....
Metstatic just means it the tumor has spread to other areas/organs and it is incredibly rare to find someone with an early stage one tumor that IS metastatic.
Behold, moron, it was a metastatic tumor from his original tumor that killed Jobs:
You don't go from stage one, to stage four in nine months after first diagnosis, without it being a serious malignant tumor.
Why do you think he had a liver transplant, -for-brains? Because the tumor spread to his liver (again, that's what metastatic means, dip).
Again, he was given advice to operate the moment they found the tumor. He chose not to. That nine months was spent committed to alternative medicine before he conceded and allowed them to operate to remove the tumor. Unfortunately, he waited to long/got the wrong medical advice/took the wrong decision/etc, and the cancer came back in the same place but this time also spreading to his liver.
, I really don't know why I bother slapping you around so much.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i understand that playing pretend and doing nothing have the exact same results, and that if someone was really concerned about the quality of their life (as opposed to grasping at magical straws) then doing nothing is the better fit.
someone primarily concerned about the quality of their life wouldn't waste their time, effort and money on voodoo medicine. they want their cake/eat it too by not having the side effects of cancer treatment (fair enough) while simultaneously being able to pretend they're still doing their bit by embracing bull (bollocks).
do or do not. there is no try.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im not really interested in "oh i hang out with old people before they snuff it" without any additional comments. what i posted is perfectly sound and logical. someone can't claim to be focusing on alternative "medicine" only for their quality of life concerns, because that doesn't make more sense than doing nothing and spending that time/effort/money they're wasting on voodoo BS on actually making the most of the time they have left.
if someone is wasting their efforts on bull then its not just about the quality of their life, but also their stupidity and faith in demonstrable nonsense. if they didn't have this faith then there's no reason at all to favour bollocks over inaction. that's their choice of course, as it is mine to criticise them for it.
Kinda ing nailed it.
srussell0018
Yes, he died from a metastatic pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor. He was not originally diagnosed with one.
You're not even worth arguing with, because all you do is get proven wrong, and then make up something that you supposedly said (most of the time which was wrong anyways), and then try to throw around insults based on nothing.
Your 9 month "fact"? Did you pull that one out of your ass as well? He had a liver transplant years after he was diagnosed with it. Apparently 9 months equates to multiple years. Brilliant deduction.
I mean I'm glad you think you're "slapping someone around" but misquoting "facts" that simply aren't true doesn't make you win arguments, it makes you look like a moron.
So, mission accomplished I guess.
Looney4Clooney
can we stop using the term alternative and medicine together. It is an oxymoron.
