Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
in some ways yes, but when you are doing something that was done 20 years ago, that would be bad art. There is no point in doing something that has been done already.
way to sh*t on the entire classical music industry...:rolleyes:
Looney4Clooney
Name 1 composer in the last 100 years that composes in the classical style say circa Haydn that is considered of any import.i mean can you even name 1 that actually composes music I that style at all? I dont see how your analogy is related in any way. The history of classical music was especially cruel to anyone that just did what others did.
Vector A
lol, yeah. It seems like a lot of people think that classical music is all just retreads of Haydn and Mozart or something. :p
zyklon-jay
Mark is just playing the style in which he is booked for. For many of those 20 years, this music wasn't en vogue and being made that much. He didn't go from bandwagon to bandwagon, and has pretty loyal fans because of this.
You really see nothing interesting about Mushroom Jazz? I'd rather go see a Mushroom Jazz party, than some new and different for the sake of being new and different act. New is good, different is good, but in general when talking about a style of music that is reputed to be repetitive and formulaic, it is normal that some ideas repeat as with any other genre of music.
I much more respect a dj who stuck to his guns and played his way no matter what, then some dj who tries to pander the flavour of the day in hopes of striking gold. Sticking to your guns = artistic integrity imo.
He isn't the guy who played techno 5 years ago, then mnml, then tech house, then house, then nu disco, then....
Hey sometimes you want to eat something new, sometimes you just want that good old steak cooked the way you just like it on a plate with nothing else.
Looney4Clooney
i suppose we disagree because sticking to your guns in art to me is not a matter of picking a genre but rather being true to yourself. Playing the same music for years to me is like a band playing the same chords on every album. I just don't get the point. Especially if that is all you do. EDM is the only style where not evolving and doing something new is revered. Purism in art is always idiotic. The debate has been going on for centuries and it is always the purists that come off as people that just want the world to stagnate and stay the same.
Bierheld
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Originally posted by zyklon-jay
There is a huge grey area between trendhopping and blatantly playing whatever the hell you want as if no one is listening.
After all, can one honestly claim that nothing about dance music has ever improved in the last 30 years? It's more likely he just hasn't given it an honest look, and prefers to stick with whatever taste he acquired when he was still open to such things. It's pretty common behaviour and as such you can't really slate him for it, but in my view, if you really are an artist and have a heart for the music. You should at least strive to try and improve your music and performance, be creative and all. Not too much to ask is it? There's no reason to assume that you've hit the end of musical evolution.
If you don't then that's fine too but don't sell it off as artistic or as integrity. Dogmatic is a better term.
zyklon-jay
In a way it has improved, but in the areas that usually picked my interest are pretty much a rehash of the 90's house sound albeit much slower. I prefer the real stuff from then to be honest, even if some of the new stuff sounds much better (than a beaten to old record aka the only medium available back then.).
Bierheld
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Originally posted by zyklon-jay
In a way it has improved, but in the areas that usually picked my interest are pretty much a rehash of the 90's house sound albeit much slower. I prefer the real stuff from then to be honest, even if some of the new stuff sounds much better (than a beaten to old record aka the only medium available back then.).
Hey, I understand. It is difficult for most people to view music objectively because it directly appeals to our emotional side. That's why most people aren't artists. Especially when they leave their early twenties and no longer feel like they're the paragons of the new world relentlessly striving to push things forward.
Still, it's about how you choose to look at things. Another thing to consider is that the more narrowly defined a genre is, the sooner it's going to run out of ideas. And in the end it'll reach a stage were even improved sound design won't hide it's flaws any more. That's why they change over time, leaving flocks of ageing people behind whilst grasping the interest of an even larger group of young folks.
You can either leave it to rest or go with the flow in such a case. I prefer to be on the edge and leave the old as a guilty pleasure, but that's up to oneself to decide.
zyklon-jay
that's the thing though...a load of new guys are doing nothing but playing old stuff with one of their new tracks here and there. Classic everything is the new "new" right now. Even this "new" UK Bass movement was already done in the late 90's early 00's.
vinyl has made a comeback among non djs.
even the fashion is retro. the movies are retro. all these kids that think they are doing something new or original really are not.
the really ty popular dance music that is huge in the US right now? that happened in the 90's too. Full cycle.
Bierheld
That's just a matter of perspective really. The current trends are a bit of a backlash to the fervently high brow dance music we were flooded with at around the new millennium. Which means older largely discontinued styles are now having a second wind. Within dance music it's more difficult to find true innovation for the reasons Looney4Clooney mentioned earlier in the BPM topic. Dance music is utilitarian and has to work with what people are able/willing to dance to.
If you look on the whole though, dance music is much more diverse then it was a few decades ago and I think if people would stop making so much house and techno we're already making a huge step forward. Evolution doesn't happen in a day after all. The cycle of generations is just something we have to deal with in the process. I don't particularly mind some older styles resurging anyway, gives me something to rave to:
zyklon-jay
It's not from a matter of perspective, i'm 33, from a city with a good electronic music scene, so i lived it in the 90's the first time around first hand. ;)
Bierheld
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Originally posted by zyklon-jay
It's not from a matter of perspective, i'm 33, from a city with a good electronic music scene, so i lived it in the 90's the first time around first hand. ;)
What would it take for you to regain interest then?
