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Dining Customs Unique to Your Culture
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| Blake |
| About 3 months ago I moved into a new living situation in which my primary roommate is from Egypt. Apparently, over there it's common to eat in large groups (family sized or larger, I suppose), which is definitely not the case in the States, with American families. What's been really getting on my nerves over the past few months is that my roommate can't let go of his eating customs. What I mean is that eating alone literally causes him a great deal of anxiety. It's not enough if I happen to be standing in the same room while he's eating. For whatever reason I have to be eating too in order for him to feel comfortable, wtf! Sometimes I will have just eaten, and he'll offer me food over ten times, until I cave and eat something, or just walk away. While I commend the hospitality of his culture, I just don't get the notion of feeling anxious eating alone. He's actually the second person I know to experience this kind of thing. No matter where they are, they'll call people to come and eat with them. What's the deal? :conf: |
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| OrangestO |
| Would you like to supersize that, sir? |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
sometimes, when i'm alone, i cook two meals as though someone were dining with me
and then i eat them both
and it makes me sad
other times
i drink 2 beers
instead of eating dinner |
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| Lira |
Hmmm.... I'm not sure that's unique - or even uncommon. I find eating alone extremely distressing, and I know it's not a Brazilian thing. I personally find silence equally annoying during meals, reason why I can't really enjoy the food unless someone is talking :)
Apparently, the verb "to eat" in Portuguese/Spanish became "Eatwith" (com "with" + er "eat") for this very reason.
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
sometimes, when i'm alone, i cook two meals as though someone were dining with me
and then i eat them both
and it makes me sad
other times
i drink 2 beers
instead of eating dinner |
:p |
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| Silky Johnson |
| A nice big meal is better with company for sure. But if it's just like, my lunch or dinner break at work, I actually prefer to eat alone. I like to get away from people and be alone with my thoughts, just enjoy my break/food in silence. Plus people watching in the cafe at work is fun. |
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| Intellekshual |
Sounds like Moroccans, they almost always eat together, especially lunch, people come home from work and school and go home to eat with their families, as businesses and schools close for a few hours in the middle of the day. Meals are sacred and shared between families and friends.
Other traditions:
If you're invited to someone else's home for a meal, it is customary to bring a gift of pastries to a host when accepting a dinner invitation.
Shoes - It's expected to remove one's shoes when entering a guest's home. It would be offensive not to.
Eat food with the right hand.. in a private home, a meal may be served from a communal bowl, sometimes without utensils (or even plates). Guests are to take the food from the main dish with the aid of a piece of bread.
Coffee and mint tea are staples in Moroccan culture, and these are often served at every meal and in between. When guests are over, it is tradition to offer tea and pastries. It's habit for Moroccans to feed their guests the finest food they can afford.
Weddings are insane celebrations, enormous feasts and multiple courses are served to guests, followed by fruit trays, pastries and tea.
Now, I've been living in North America for a decade and have let go of most of my Moroccan eating habits, but on the rare occasion I am with my family, or with other Moroccans, I would do the above. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
My family actually has extremely strict rules for dining. Deviation from any of the established etiquette is not tolerated by any immediate member, nor by and for exception of any particular guest. This has not typically gone well for any particular companion or potential love interest I've invited over for dinner, but here are the codes I was forced to memorize since I was old enough to sit at the table:
In most situations, following the "outside-in" rule will tell you which knife, fork, or spoon to use at the dinner table.
Use utensils on the outside first and work your way inward with each new course that is served.
If you are not sure which utensil to use, wait to see what is served.
Or, watch others at the table and follow their lead.
Continental Style v. American Style (for right-handed dinners)
Continental Style
Hold your fork in your left hand, tines downward.
Hold your knife in your right hand low to the plate, an inch or two above. Extend your index finger along the top of the blade.
Use your fork to spear and lift food to your mouth.
If your knife is not needed, it remains on the table. Hold your fork in your right hand, tines upward.
American Style
Hold your fork like a pencil (never used it to stab at food), with the shank extended between your thumb and second and third fingers. Your fourth and fifth fingers rest in your hand.
For leverage, the index finger is extended along the back of the fork, as far from the tines as possible.
Hold your knife with the handle cupped in the palm of your hand, along with your third, fourth, and fifth fingers. Your second finger is placed on the back of the blade. Your thumb is held against the side of the handle.
Two Utensils. Using two utensils as opposed to one is preferred because food is easier to manipulate with two utensils. In formal dining, two utensils are used for the appetizer course, main course, salad course, dessert course, and fruit course.
Utensil Etiquette
Resting Utensils
Soiled utensils are laid on the plate or bowl it is provided with (not on the table). Never rest a utensil half on a plate and half on the table. The rules are, of course, different when using chopsticks.
You can rest your utensils in one of two ways when taking a break from eating:
Put your fork and knife in the center of your plate with the tips facing each other in an inverted V (slightly angled); Or
Rest your knife on the top right of your plate (diagonally) with the fork nearby (tines up).
These two resting positions, recognized by trained wait staff, signal that you're not ready to have your plate removed.
At most restaurants, used utensils are replaced with clean ones for the next course.
If, however, a waiter asks you to keep your dirty utensils for the next course, it's okay to ask for clean ones.
Soup Spoons.
Soup Bowl. If soup or dessert is served in a deep bowl, cup, or stemmed bowl set on another plate, place your utensil(s) on this underplate when you finish. If the underplate is too small to balance the spoon, the spoon is laid in the bowl.
Soup Plate. If the bowl is what is called a soup plate (shallow and wide), leave the spoon in the bowl.
Finished with a Course. When each course is finished:
Place the knife and fork parallel with the handles in the four o'clock position on the right rim of the plate;
The tips rest in the well of the plate in the ten o'clock position;
The blade of your knife should face inward;
The fork tines may be either up or down.
This position signals to the server that you're finished. It also decreases the chance that the utensils could fall to the floor when the plates are cleared.
Temporary Placement During a Conversation. For temporary placement of the fork and knife in conversation:
Continental Style-
The fork is laid on the side of the plate with the tines downward and the handle in the eight o'clock position.
The knife handle is laid in the four o'clock position.
If space permits, the tines are rested over the blade of the knife.
American Style-
The knife is rested on the right rim of the plate with the handle in the four o'clock position.
The fork is laid near the knife.
Fork tines upward.
Placement when Passing a Plate. To prevent flatware from falling off when the plate is passed for a second helping,
The fork and knife are centered vertically in the six o'clock position toward the middle of the plate.
Leave enough room to grasp the plate in passage and to provide ample space for the extra serving.
Napkin Etiquette
Placing the Napkin in Your Lap. Wait for the host or hostess to take his or her napkin off the table and place it in his or her lap. (An exception to this rule is buffet-style meals, where you should unfold your napkin when you start eating)
Unfolding the Napkin. Unfold your napkin in one smooth motion without "snapping" or "shaking" it open.
The size determines how you unfold a napkin in your lap.
Large napkins provided at more formal dinners, are unfolded halfway.
Smaller napkins are unfolded completely and cover the lap fully.
Tucking the Napkin. Don't tuck a napkin into your collar, between the buttons of your shirt, or in your belt.
When messy finger food is served before tucking the napkin under the chin or tying it around the neck, look to the host to see if he does the same.
Using the Napkin. Use your napkin frequently during the meal to blot or pat, not wipe, your lips. Blot your lips before taking a drink of your beverage-especially if you're a woman wearing lipstick.
Napkin Rings. If a napkin ring is present, after removing your napkin, place the ring to the top-left of the setting. At the end of the meal, grasp the napkin in the center, pull it through the ring, and lay it on the table with the point facing the center of the table.
Temporarily Leaving the Table. When leaving the table temporarily, put your napkin on your chair. If the chair is upholstered, place the napkin soiled side up.
Placing the Napkin at the End of the Meal. At the meal's end:
The napkin is loosely folded at the end of the meal.
If a plate is in the center of your place setting, when leaving the table lay the napkin to the left of the plate.
If the center of your place setting is empty, the napkin is laid in the middle of the place setting.
Leave your napkin in loose folds that keep soiled parts hidden.
If after-dinner coffee is served at the table, the napkin remains in the lap.
Serving Etiquette
Formal Meals
Food is brought to each diner at the table;
The server presents the platter or bowl on the diner's left,
The food is either accepted or refused.
(Alternatively, plates are prepared in the kitchen and then brought to the table and set before the diners.)
Casual Meals
the host will dish food onto guests' plates to pass around the table; or
the diners help themselves to the food and pass it to others as necessary.
Using Serving Utensils. Some general guidelines for using serving utensils:
Serving utensils are placed on the right side of serveware;
When a serving spoon and serving fork are presented together, the spoon is laid on the right ready to cut and lift and the fork on the left to steady and hold.
The utensils are returned to the platter or serving bowl in the same position.
When a serving spoon is presented on an underplate, after use the utensil is replaced in the bowl (ready for the next person to use).
To protect the hand, the blade of a carving knife faces inward.
Passing Food
Traditionally, food is passed to the left - but the point is for the food to be moving in only one direction.
One diner either holds the dish as the next diner takes some food, or he hands it to the person, who then serves herself.
Any heavy or awkward dishes are put on the table with each pass.
Cream pitchers and other dishes with handles should be passed with the handle toward the person receiving them.
If a platter for sharing is present it is passed around the table, with each diner holding it as the person next to him serves himself, using only the serving utensils provided.
Salt and Pepper Etiquette
Taste Before Salting. Be sure to taste the food before putting salt or pepper on it. That way you can be sure it needs the seasoning.
Pass Salt and Pepper Together. Always pass salt and pepper together. If a person asks for just one, pass both anyway.
Saltcellars. Some hostesses prefer to use old _fashioned saltcellars, which salt shakers have largely replaced.
If there is no spoon in the saltcellar, use the tip of a clean knife to take some salt.
If the salt_cellar is for you alone, you may either use the tip of your knife or you may take a pinch with your fingers.
If it is to be shared with others, never use your fingers or a knife that is not clean.
Salt you have dipped into should be put on the bread-and-butter plate or on the rim of whatever plate is before you.
Bread and Butter Etiquette
Bread is most often placed on the table in a basket that everyone shares.
If the bread is placed in front of you, feel free to pick up the basket and offer it to the person on your left.
If the loaf is not cut, cut a few pieces, offer them to the person to your right, and then pass the basket to your left.
Do not touch the loaf with your fingers, instead use the clothe in the bread basket as a buffer to steady the bread as you slice it.
Place the bread and butter on your butter plate - yours is on your left - then break off a bite sized piece of bread, put a little butter on it, and eat it.
Don't butter the whole piece of bread and then take bites from it.
Don't hold your bread in one hand and a drink in the other (the polite diner uses only one hand at a time), and
Don't take the last piece of bread without first offering it to others.
In some restaurants, olive oil is served with bread. Dip your bite sized pieces of bread in the oil and enjoy.
Because butter is produced in rectangle form, and the butter knife is made with a dull blade to slice butter and a pointed tip to transfer cubes of butter to the plate.
Table Manners During the Meal
When to Start Eating
At a small table of only two to four people, wait until everyone else has been served before starting to eat. At a formal or business meal, you should either wait until everyone is served to start or begin when the host asks you to.
Refusing a Dish
If you're allergic to a food or on a restricted diet, explain to your host (not to the table at large) why you have no choice but to decline.
Main Course
If you order for yourself, you can avoid some of the potential difficulties of a main course by ordering food that is easy to eat and that you’ll know you enjoy.
Clearing the Plates
If the meal is formal, plates will be removed by the staff.
At informal meals, the hostess will probably clear the plates, possibly with one or two guests helping.
At a family meal, members clear their own plates. |
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| Vernon Wanderer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
A nice big meal is better with company for sure. But if it's just like, my lunch or dinner break at work, I actually prefer to eat alone. I like to get away from people and be alone with my thoughts, just enjoy my break/food in silence. |
+1, I usually just read the paper when I'm alone, drink some juice and/or coffee and just chill.
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
Plus people watching in the cafe at work is fun. |
-1, hell no. This is where m.facebook comes in handy. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Hahaha, well yeah that too. But for the most part, I enjoy mindlessly gazing around the cafe, the odd time catching someone else's gaze, exchanging a nod/knowing look and moving on. But then, I also enjoyed public transit for the same reason. :p |
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| EarnYourKeep |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
Hahaha, well yeah that too. But for the most part, I enjoy mindlessly gazing around the cafe, the odd time catching someone else's gaze, exchanging a nod/knowing look and moving on. But then, I also enjoyed public transit for the same reason. :p |
i work in midtown manhattan by Rockefeller Center, it's most definitely a sit outside with my headphones in and watch all the foot traffic |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
people watching |
This should go in the Life's Simple Pleasures thread. Definitely one of my favourite pastimes, food or no food. |
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
This should go in the Life's Simple Pleasures thread. Definitely one of my favourite pastimes, food or no food. |
If one is in a large city (in a high place with a good view), absolutely!
Rooftop bars in Honk Kong instantly spring to mind. Sevva, anyone? |
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