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EZOO + EDC + SENSATION (New York) = ??? (pg. 3)
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| BradMiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Temisan Adoki
But yeah, I will agree with you on the last bit. I just moved to NYC from Pittsburgh and compared to the Burgh...the NYC scene is awesome. Hell, you're talking about one of the best EDM scenes in the country if not the world...let's not get carried away here.
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Agree completely - the scene here might not be the best in the world but is certainly better than what most cities have. |
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| edubbz |
Let me put things into perspective from my experiences. In the beginning (6-7yrs ago), I'd never consider doing a festival overseas for the fact that I thought it would cost and arm and a leg. But one year I just got fed up comparing Europe's line-ups to ours that I said f--k it, and began looking into it.
I was appalled when I learned how low-cost the trip to Sonar had cost me:
- $650 R/T (I flew into AMS and returned from BCN)
- $200 Sonar Pass, which included 3 daytime parties and 2 nighttime parties (day/night @ diff locations)- best festival experience up-to-date, where I was utterly impressed about 90% of the acts I saw in ALL stages (not just at the Sunday School tent, if I were to be at ezoo).
- during the week of Sonar, there are the "off-parties" which are held at beaches, rooftops, lounges, etc. which cost, at most, 20 euros ($25) (heck some were even free- don't let 'free' fool you at the type of line-up you would see, insane)..so lets say 100 euros ($125) for afterparties
- and you can choose to stay at a hostel for cheap lodging which, at least, would run you $250 for 6/nts.
So, the sum of what you waste in all these cheesey cash-cow festivals (spread throughout the year, 3-4x) in a city, you know like the back of your hand, is just about as equivalent as exploring a full week of a city you've never been to before, meeting new people and learning new cultures/traditions (don't be ignorant to think just bc of distance it's impossible make friends).
All I have to say is, after that experience I look at the scene here completely different- I've been spoiled. And I can't argue that NY doesn't have a scene bc, as mentioned, we prob have one of the best scenes in the country w/o a doubt. But as somebody else had also mentioned, quality over quantity! The music the same djs you would see here is on a whole differet level across the pond.
I'm looking forward to my next trip, which will be ADE in Oct. In that trip, so far I've spent $690 R/T, $180 in lodging for 4/nts and if you got to see the line-ups, you'd in your pants. Going back to about meeting friends overseas, well I've kept in touch with a few from my last trip so I'm doing a little detour to Berlin to visit them. Can't wait.
Moral of the story: stop wasting your money at these cornball festivals and put it towards an epic experience you'll never forget for the rest of your life. Cheers! |
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| AY STAR |
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yea i get what you mean, cheeseball over priced generic festivals are def taking over
i didnt go to edc and dont plan on going to sensation
just one day of ezoo for me this year
sonar or timewarp sounds like something i would be interested in for the future
as for other festivals in north america that are worth checking out
that wont break your bank and are still pretty quality...
demf,mutek/ black & blue in montreal,digital dreams in toronto
and even tho its not ibiza or somewhere in europe, people could just hit up wmc for a few days (minus ultra fest)
you get to see some pretty solid dj's together,outdoor parties,good vibe,good weather
for a good price |
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| SebG |
| Just DEMF this year alone opened up my eyes from a different perspective... |
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| Neonbeats |
| Yeah if you've already done a domestic festival I would def save up for Europe or BPM. You'll wanna do WMC/Ultra at least once too. Hopefully the people crunched for money are still fairly young and don't have real jobs yet....that makes doing things a lot easier. You'll def want Sonar on your short list. |
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| Dream Beamz |
just a note since we are talking about trips to Europe or abroad, if anyone ever hears that Zrce Beach in Croatia is an amazing place to party, specifically Papaya club..... DO NOT BOTHER.
Worthless experience, worst environment to have fun at ever. I wasn't the only one that thought that, while there I met complete strangers from Italy, UK, and Germany that were all completely under-impressed if not completely let down like I was. |
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| skalariak |
| why flying to england is so ing expensive? I wanted to go to sw4 and the renaissance's 20th, but man, is just ridiculous how expensive it is to go there. like $2000 bucks? wtf? even flying to argentina is cheaper and is far as . |
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| ArminD1981 |
I rather go to Luminosity and Ibiza than wasting my $$$ on these cheesy festivals here !!!
Forgot to mention many people also do EDC vegas and UMF |
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| Temisan Adoki |
| quote: | Originally posted by edubbz
Let me put things into perspective from my experiences. In the beginning (6-7yrs ago), I'd never consider doing a festival overseas for the fact that I thought it would cost and arm and a leg. But one year I just got fed up comparing Europe's line-ups to ours that I said f--k it, and began looking into it.
I was appalled when I learned how low-cost the trip to Sonar had cost me:
- $650 R/T (I flew into AMS and returned from BCN)
- $200 Sonar Pass, which included 3 daytime parties and 2 nighttime parties (day/night @ diff locations)- best festival experience up-to-date, where I was utterly impressed about 90% of the acts I saw in ALL stages (not just at the Sunday School tent, if I were to be at ezoo).
- during the week of Sonar, there are the "off-parties" which are held at beaches, rooftops, lounges, etc. which cost, at most, 20 euros ($25) (heck some were even free- don't let 'free' fool you at the type of line-up you would see, insane)..so lets say 100 euros ($125) for afterparties
- and you can choose to stay at a hostel for cheap lodging which, at least, would run you $250 for 6/nts.
So, the sum of what you waste in all these cheesey cash-cow festivals (spread throughout the year, 3-4x) in a city, you know like the back of your hand, is just about as equivalent as exploring a full week of a city you've never been to before, meeting new people and learning new cultures/traditions (don't be ignorant to think just bc of distance it's impossible make friends).
All I have to say is, after that experience I look at the scene here completely different- I've been spoiled. And I can't argue that NY doesn't have a scene bc, as mentioned, we prob have one of the best scenes in the country w/o a doubt. But as somebody else had also mentioned, quality over quantity! The music the same djs you would see here is on a whole differet level across the pond.
I'm looking forward to my next trip, which will be ADE in Oct. In that trip, so far I've spent $690 R/T, $180 in lodging for 4/nts and if you got to see the line-ups, you'd in your pants. Going back to about meeting friends overseas, well I've kept in touch with a few from my last trip so I'm doing a little detour to Berlin to visit them. Can't wait.
Moral of the story: stop wasting your money at these cornball festivals and put it towards an epic experience you'll never forget for the rest of your life. Cheers! |
This post put things into perspective for me.
Yep, AMerica is the home of cheeseball festivals...but what can you expect? The festival scene en masse is relatively new. This country is all about trends and what's popular and what makes money.
Some of the line-ups I see at these festivals overseas on Resident Advisor make me go :crazy: |
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| EarnYourKeep |
edubbs GOING IN lol ,wait until you go west to ride that board, talk about spoiled snob
Anyways, the point of this thread was to help bring awareness to everyone on our board in our scene as DJs aspiring and as customers attending. The value of your money, the value of your hard work, it all has to relate to something in order for it to hold value. A DJ that plays every night at some local bar isn't necessarily better then the person who plays once every 4 months outside of their bedroom.
I knew there would be probes by our residents/local djs regarding what I was on about. It's true, they garner the support from our region and it's propelled them into a larger circuit not because we pay to see them, but because we as customers create their mass appeal. I can see how my post could be taken as going against that, it's not my intention.
The more I see what the local underground is doing, the more I wonder why they aren't following suit? Blkmarket, Resolute, Verboten, Trilogy, they all have a true underground feel. Why are we not supporting this? Why is everything in this city "LEGIT" at "LEGIT VENUES"? Ontop of that, our djs/customers/fanbase/locals we pay the door of these city venues, the legit venues, we pay the city bar prices, for what though? Is playing out in NYC at a legit NYC venue the apex of 'making it'?
The polar opposite effect here is if we as customers/djs steer the scene elsewhere, perhaps it'd be popular again? Instead of handing over our money/dj time/VALUE to the middle man, why not take the risk and DO IT OURSELVES? You cut the middle man, the legit venue, the legit bar prices, the legit cover charges, and you turn the scene back into what it really is about..the music.
90% of everyone believes i have diarrhea of the fingers, the 10% that know me know that I do so because I like causing , I like effecting , and maybe if everyone isn't so quick to attack that there is ALWAYS A SILVER LINING IN WHAT I POST, whether it'd be the truth that no one wants to say or the plain old i got jokes
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| Lufelia |
| quote: | Originally posted by louietsang
i think id prefer to party more locally due to people who u can meet and start new friendships w/ and experience w/ current friends also... tho id have to say since edcny, i've spent quite a lot... from edclv ezoo sensation, governor's etc... |
I enjoy the smaller, local parties here and I've made great friends at these events, so I understand where you're coming from. I'm talking Love, Santos, National. But as far as big names and big events, I'm pretty much done. I completely agree with what edubbz said as my experience is pretty similar (just more recent because I'm a noob). "Spoiled" is exactly how I feel about it. I can never look at NY the same way again. For the price of all those events, it's more than worth it to skip 'em, save up, and party abroad.
It's not like you can't make friends abroad too, you know. In fact, I think it's extra nice because of the different perspectives they bring. |
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| gimmebeatz |
| quote: | Originally posted by edubbz
Let me put things into perspective from my experiences. In the beginning (6-7yrs ago), I'd never consider doing a festival overseas for the fact that I thought it would cost and arm and a leg. But one year I just got fed up comparing Europe's line-ups to ours that I said f--k it, and began looking into it.
I was appalled when I learned how low-cost the trip to Sonar had cost me:
- $650 R/T (I flew into AMS and returned from BCN)
- $200 Sonar Pass, which included 3 daytime parties and 2 nighttime parties (day/night @ diff locations)- best festival experience up-to-date, where I was utterly impressed about 90% of the acts I saw in ALL stages (not just at the Sunday School tent, if I were to be at ezoo).
- during the week of Sonar, there are the "off-parties" which are held at beaches, rooftops, lounges, etc. which cost, at most, 20 euros ($25) (heck some were even free- don't let 'free' fool you at the type of line-up you would see, insane)..so lets say 100 euros ($125) for afterparties
- and you can choose to stay at a hostel for cheap lodging which, at least, would run you $250 for 6/nts.
So, the sum of what you waste in all these cheesey cash-cow festivals (spread throughout the year, 3-4x) in a city, you know like the back of your hand, is just about as equivalent as exploring a full week of a city you've never been to before, meeting new people and learning new cultures/traditions (don't be ignorant to think just bc of distance it's impossible make friends).
All I have to say is, after that experience I look at the scene here completely different- I've been spoiled. And I can't argue that NY doesn't have a scene bc, as mentioned, we prob have one of the best scenes in the country w/o a doubt. But as somebody else had also mentioned, quality over quantity! The music the same djs you would see here is on a whole differet level across the pond.
I'm looking forward to my next trip, which will be ADE in Oct. In that trip, so far I've spent $690 R/T, $180 in lodging for 4/nts and if you got to see the line-ups, you'd in your pants. Going back to about meeting friends overseas, well I've kept in touch with a few from my last trip so I'm doing a little detour to Berlin to visit them. Can't wait.
Moral of the story: stop wasting your money at these cornball festivals and put it towards an epic experience you'll never forget for the rest of your life. Cheers! |
you're dead on. every time i talk to friends about a european trip for a festival they always talk about how expensive it will be, but if planned in advance and properly you can do it very feasibly. i did trance energy in 2008 for $800 r/t and 4 nights in a 4 star hotel. granted TE is in february and europe is typically double the cost for the summer months, but still with planning you can manage it for a cheap cost. and just the overall production and organization of these european festivals is a sight to see, not to mention the All star DJ lineups to top it off. |
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