Originally posted by GGM
... is because the US backed the Shah for 38 years there as a ruthless dictator....
What makes you think they're not supporting the idiots in charge right now in secret anyway? There's a non stop cash flow in some 's pockets on this side of the planet for the past 30 years.
I heard a story that a year before the Iran Revolution no one gave a flying about Khomeini and all the Islamist fundamentalist mother******s.
They pretty much caught everyone by surprise when they suddenly took power and came on top of all the other opposition.
And then the slaughter began (Left,right,center, anyone that didn't believe in their way of democracy) and it continues till today.
The World powers will always want conflict on that side of the World. It'll just never end...well Until they run out of all the natural resources.
In the name Of dictatorship, Democracy or theocracy..whatever works
Magnetonium
USA will work with anyone who supports them. Russians support the brutal Assad regime, Americans supported the Shah, Chinese support Sudan. I am well aware of the Mossadekh thing in '53, as well as what could have been and when. Imagine if the Germans didnt help smuggle Lenin into Russia so that the Bolsheviks never came to power? Yeah, I imagine that too.
It is true that Canada is hurting Iranian Canadians with the embassy closure, but one must wonder as to how did the embassy manage to stay open for so long, given our political closeness and support to USA. The trade between our countries is weak to say the least.
Iran is a pathological liar, an authoritarian regime that is bent on destroying Israel. They are guilty of crimes against own people in a way that the Shah once was. There is no excuse to blame that on USA. Its a country based on strict religious values and Islamist code. Their leaders and military peeps at Revolutionary Guard have huge egos that prevent them from reaching any political compromise in the current mess between Iran and the West. They claim that they are againstn uclear weapons yet are weaponizing uranium and building illicit nuclear installations, covertly hiding the true nature of their nuclear program.
Wurm
It's a ing mess any time fundamentalists run things.
There used to be a joke about the Iran- US standoff:
On the one hand, there's a country run by messianic, apocalyptic, religious fundamentalists...
... on the other hand, there's Iran.
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Iran is a pathological liar, an authoritarian regime that is bent on destroying Israel.
You dont think Israel wants to destroy Iran if they get the green light from the big daddy USA? Come on now.
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They claim that they are againstn uclear weapons yet are weaponizing uranium and building illicit nuclear installations, covertly hiding the true nature of their nuclear program.
Yet as usual there is ZERO evidence of them making a bomb. I know you are smart guy dude but I'm not sure why you are not seeing whats happening here? Did you forget how they lied about Iraq? How is it different now?
I will also leave this for those you wanting to learn more about Iran's history:
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by Wurm
It's a ing mess any time fundamentalists run things.
There used to be a joke about the Iran- US standoff:
On the one hand, there's a country run by messianic, apocalyptic, religious fundamentalists...
... on the other hand, there's Iran.
You nailed it. ;)
Magnetonium
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
You dont think Israel wants to destroy Iran if they get the green light from the big daddy USA? Come on now.
Nonsense. Israel is a tiny nation of 5 million people, while Iran is a very spacious gigantic country of over 70 million. Or something like that, but thats not the point. Israel cannot destroy Iran (albeit using nuclear weapons), they lack the arsenal, logistics, support and money to do so. There's absolutely no point in destroying Iran. They have no intention of destroying any nation in the region - Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Syria have not been wiped off the map, man! ... well, apart from the Palestinian statehood (but that's another topic)
Magnetonium
Couple more points to add as to why Canada should not have political relations with Iran - mainly because Iran laughs at the rights of people with Canadian passports. Iran does not respect the Canadian Passport. Iran does not abide by Diplomatic Immunity rules. Just to give you some examples:
Zahra Kazemi, A female Canadian photojournalist was killed in Iranian custody after she was arrested for photographing a student protest. There are reports she was raped and tortured.
Hossein Derakhshan, an Iranian Canadian Blogger, has been in Iranian custody since 2008 for comments he made about an Iranian cleric. He was accused of spying for Israel and sentenced to 19 years in prison.
Saeed Malekpour, a web designer and programmer has been sentenced to death for his part in creating a photo sharing program that was used for pornography.
Ghassemi-Shall, Iranian Canadian shoe salesman, sentenced to death on charges of spying.
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Canadian stymied in efforts to help Hamid Ghassemi-Shall
Published on Wednesday March 14, 2012
As Toronto shoe salesman Hamid Ghassemi-Shall awaits execution in an Iranian prison, efforts by the Canadian government to help him have been rebuffed.
“Iran has repeatedly refused Canada’s requests to allow us to visit Mr. Ghassemi-Shall, a Canadian citizen, to provide consular assistance,” said a statement from John Babcock, spokesman for Diane Ablonczy, the minister responsible for consular affairs.
“We are very concerned about reports that Mr. Ghassemi-Shall may be facing the death penalty.”
Ghassemi-Shall, 43, was arrested in 2008 on a visit to his bereaved mother in Iran. He was charged with espionage and condemned to death after a trial widely decried as unfair.
Although an Iranian judge has said he would review the case, and believed Ghassemi-Shall not guilty, apparent political pressure has ended hope of an appeal. Iran has executed more than 600 people in the last year, and the pace is escalating.
And then there's this - Ahmadinejad still calls for wiping Israel off the map, in nicer words this time:
DUBAI, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Many thousands of Iranians shouted "Death to America, death to Israel" during state-organised protests on Friday and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told them there was no place for the Jewish state in a future Middle East.
Iran, penalised by tough Western sanctions, faces the threat of an Israeli or U.S. military strike on its disputed nuclear facilities. With popular uprisings reshaping the region, the Islamic Republic is also trying to prevent the overthrow of its closest Arab ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"You want a new Middle East? We do too, but in the new Middle East ... there will be no trace of the American presence and the Zionists," Ahmadinejad told worshippers at Tehran University in an event broadcast live on state television.
The Iranian leader, whose own authority is under challenge from hardliners as well as reformers, was restating Tehran's familiar goals as the Middle East undergoes a very different upheaval from the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the U.S.-backed Shah and brought Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to power.
"Saving the existence of the Zionist regime (Israel) is a joint commitment by most arrogant Western governments," Ahmadinejad said in a speech to mark the annual Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day decreed by Khomeini and held on the last Friday of the Muslim holy fasting month of Ramadan.
He called for Muslim unity to foil Western support for Israel, which he described as a "cancerous tumour" for its occupation of Palestinian land.
But there was little unity on display at an Islamic summit in Mecca earlier this week when the 57-member Organisation of Islamic Cooperation suspended Syria despite Iran's objections.
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Nonsense. Israel is a tiny nation of 5 million people, while Iran is a very spacious gigantic country of over 70 million. Or something like that, but thats not the point. Israel cannot destroy Iran (albeit using nuclear weapons), they lack the arsenal, logistics, support and money to do so.
They dont have to go after Iran alone they have US OF A right behind them.
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There's absolutely no point in destroying Iran. They have no intention of destroying any nation in the region - Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Syria have not been wiped off the map, man! ... well, apart from the Palestinian statehood (but that's another topic)
They have not been wiped off the map but they have been bombed to death over and over again. Lebanon 2008 rings a bell? Are you suggesting that Israel is a Democracy living peacefully with all those countries? Hmmmm..
hardcore trancer
Why should Canada bend so much for Israel? Why cant we be mutual and not take sides? Would you be ok for us to go to war to fight for Israel? NO.
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
Nonsense. Israel is a tiny nation of 5 million people, while Iran is a very spacious gigantic country of over 70 million.)
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Israel is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons[6][7] and to be the sixth country in the world to develop them.
while Iran "has a potential to develop weapons of mass destruction:"
lol
oooh, here's the fun fact for you :
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Today for the 20th year in a row, the UN General Assembly has voted to condemn the United States’ 50-year-old economic embargo on
Cuba. How did the votes turn out this year? YES (against embargo) – 186 NO (in favor of embargo) – 2 ABSTAIN – 3 (details of the country lists in the vote count have not yet been published) Last year there were 187 votes in favor of ending U.S. sanctions on Cuba, two against (Israel and the U.S.) and three abstentions (Palau, Marshall Islands, and Micronesia). Again, we are reminded of the fact that the rest of the world is against us for our policy towards Cuba.
in the past 40 or 50 years, there has been 3 countries voting yes on Cuba embargo: usa, masrhall islands (whatever the that country is, sometimes for, sometimes against) and of course Israel.
now, i can totally understand why usa has a grudge against Cuba. and, if i knew what the is marshall island) i could totally understand what do they have against them. but....israel...against Cuba??
but lets set all that aside and try to be realistic about it.
almost 200 countries say NO year after year, BUT usa and israel say YES and.... everybody else. .everybody.else.
im Orthodox Christian and its in my nature NEVER EVER to take a Muslim side. unless its a ing rape of a nation. rape, like what they did to Saddam or Gaddafi. or whatever is going on right now.
right is right and wrong, its ing wrong. you sound like a bright indivindual. they are taking georgias and chechnias side against you, your and mine brethren, one day (right now) they will take sides with them where its profitable and against them where it suits them.....
where do we draw the line???
open your ing eyes, everybody. line has to be drawn somewhere, it just depends on your perspective !!!
there is no government like no government !!!!
Sentinal
now im reaching for the popcorn...........
VERTiG0
Abolish all religion worldwide (this isn't the 12th century anymore, live in the now), smoke weed everyday, high five the out of everybody
That's how the political process should go from here on out, IMO.
