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9/11 - The Most Chilling Photo (pg. 3)
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by zzleeper
Ps: to mikefasssy & Maaz only: read between lines and get the whole context ;) Peace. |
hehe, I'm trying to... maybe I need to get some sleep, but I'm having trouble reading beetween lines :p Anyway, I pm'ed you to understand what you were trying to say (I remember you're half-portuguese... you speak this language, right? Otherwise, my pm was completely useless :toothless )
*Maaz reads your post once again*
AAAHHhhh.... :D Got it, way to go, zzl :) Now, that PM was completely useless indeed :clown: I've already cancelled it, don't worry :cool:
The fact is that I didn't read the second paragraph (I was a bit angry to do so... I got a lesson from that, thanks) |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR
i seen one with the plabne bigger and the camera underneath it, dunn owher ei saw it tho (was definatly on the net, much more menacing as it was massive) |
yea i saw that one..and i was completely appalled by it..and scared:( |
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| occrider |
Naive is right .... fine you bitch, whine, and complain about how offensive, intrusive, and horrible america is with its foreign policies. You'd rather us just mind our own business and stop meddling in everyone else's affairs right? Well if you remember back to your history lessons we were like that once ... and it almost resulted in the domination of Europe and SouthEast Asia by atrocious dictatorships. You know we didn't have to send 300,000 people to die in a foreign continent half the world away. But we did, because it was the right thing to do. How would you have liked it if we had simply stayed at home? How would you have liked it if the US had simply ignored the rest of the world during the height of the cold war? Would Europe even be composed of independant, self soverigning nations if we had? Now I admit that the US is by no means innocent of any wrongdoing and has committed some pretty awful things since the 40's. But keep in mind all of its actions were done to preserve a culture of freedom, liberties, and self government. And considering how most of us still enjoy these freedoms, I like to think that as a nation, we've had a good impact on the world.
Personally I'm getting quite sick of how everybody quotes America's atrocities and labels us as evil. You say that the dropping of the atomic bombs was pretty horrible? Well how about this ... more civilians died from the British fire-bombing of Dresden and Berlin than eithr of the atomic bombs. How come you aren't quoting how horrible Britain is? While the Japanese occupied mainland China more than a million chinese were murdered, tortured and killed. How come you don't critisize the Japanese? Do you even know WHY the atomic bomb was dropped??? Ok 100,000 japanese were killed. Casualty estimates of a US invasion of mainland Japan was approximately 2 million US AND Japanese casualties. You don't seem to even understand the concept of total war so I'm not going to even go into it.
Finally you complain about world hunger and world suffering? How are these figures ...
- The US foreign aid budget is approximately $10 billion, the largest out of all other nations.
- International giving by U.S. foundations totals $1.5 billion per year
- Charitable giving by U.S. businesses now comes to at least $2.8 billion annually
- American NGOs gave over $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
- Religious overseas ministries contribute $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
- $1.3 billion by U.S. colleges are given in scholarships to foreign students
- Personal remittances from the U.S. to developing countries came to $18 billion in 2000
Do you still want us to stay out of everybody's business? We're not looking for adoration, gratitude, or even thanks, but the least a lot of people can afford us is a little bit of respect for what we've done to better society as a whole. |
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| occrider |
| Sorry for the huge bitchfest .... it seems that everybody likes to ignore the good that we do and just focus on how terrible we are. If your country's policies were as publicized and scrutinized as closely as ours is what would the world think about you? |
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| zzleeper |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Well how about this ... more civilians died from the British fire-bombing of Dresden and Berlin than eithr of the atomic bombs. How come you aren't quoting how horrible Britain is? While the Japanese occupied mainland China more than a million chinese were murdered, tortured and killed. How come you don't critisize the Japanese? Do you even know WHY the atomic bomb was dropped??? Ok 100,000 japanese were killed. Casualty estimates of a US invasion of mainland Japan was approximately 2 million US AND Japanese casualties. You don't seem to even understand the concept of total war so I'm not going to even go into it. |
Stalin & company killed millions of ppl. China did horrible also (Cultural Revolution = Bloody Mess). Germany? No need to comment. Israel? Ask Sharon about how many POW's he has killed . . . And we are not even going back to colonialism.
The US isn't perfect (thats obvious to any1), but it has acomplished many good things.
One thing we should keep clear is that government's actions don't reflect ppl's choice (not even in a democracy). It's like blaming 200 million americans for all the bad things Nixon, Kissinger, etc etc did. Or like accussing a jew for what a right-wing general does.
If you see most of what America is accused of, you'll notice most of the stuff wasn't decided by the ppl, or even made public. You can't blame America as a whole for what the CIA does or for what some DoD Hawks do.
But the ppl of America shouldn't trust blindly what their government does. Ask yourself, ¿what's the real motivation for Irak's war? ¿Petroleum? (money from american oil companies) ¿are Bush's interests aligned with those of Lockheed, Boeing, ...?
Don't trust so blindly that "WAR AGAINST EVIL" stuff. Ok, it sounds convincing, but look what lies behind. Maybe in 40 years your grandsons will see this "Irak - War (2002 Remix)" as another Vietnam, another Panama, or another Granada (btw, why the did they invaded Granada? and where is Granada?).
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Just my 2 cents.
Ps: lol @ Mazz :p :p :p :p :p :p |
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| Busy Child |
| quote: | Originally posted by zzleeper
But the ppl of America shouldn't trust blindly what their government does. Ask yourself, ¿what's the real motivation for Irak's war? ¿Petroleum? (money from american oil companies) ¿are Bush's interests aligned with those of Lockheed, Boeing, ...?
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I dont know what they teach in Peru, but youre on the right track. However, you missed a key point. . . . . .
After the gulf war, the US agreed to stop bombing iraq and let saddam go if they agreed to not build weapons of mass destruction and to allow UN inspectors to inspect their factories for that purpose. That is a treaty made between the US and Iraq and since then, Saddam has rejected UN inspectors. There is substantial evidence not only from US intelligence that iraq is in the process of obtaining uranium to create nuclear weapons.
Obviously, Saddam has broken his treaty with the US and the US has every right to take action. Imagine what would happen if the US broke their treaty with Cuba by invading them? The whole world would be bombing us in America.
If you sign a treaty, you must abide by it. If you dont, bad things will happen. . . . .just common sense. |
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| Maaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by zzleeper
But the ppl of America shouldn't trust blindly what their government does. Ask yourself, ¿what's the real motivation for Irak's war? ¿Petroleum? (money from american oil companies) ¿are Bush's interests aligned with those of Lockheed, Boeing, ...?
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It's so strange... Iraq produces a large amount of petroleum and Afghanistan was in the way of a very important oil pipeline that the US wants to build... they were using bombs that were worth 1 million dollars to destroy 10-dollar tents and despite of all their efforts, bin Laden was not found.
I'm not saying that the US is totally evil (and I don't believe in conspiracy), I believe there are good people in that land, but their leaders (specially that stupid cowboy) aren't the smartest minds on Earth :rolleyes:
Ps.: We can discuss now, I'm awake :D |
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| Scorchio |
That Picture with the smoke isn't real,
its a fake by someone with way too much time on his hands. |
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| speedracer_mec |
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| stix |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Don't even bother comparing these things...they're not even close to being the same.
Sept. 11 was the single most evil unannounced terrorist attack in the world; period. Not only for the Americans but for a lot of other counties as well.
Do not forget that there were people from all over the world in those towers; it was not just 'An American' thing; don't be that naive.
America has never cocooned???? Where the heck have you been??? Have you watched any of the Sept.11th ceremonies?
Did you not watch as a UNITED front took to the terrorists?
Did we not watch Canadian soldiers get into planes to go 1/2 way round the world to fight what? Terrorism.
Do you really thing we as a country are that dumb that we just submit to whatever the States do?
You can't tell me that the day you watched those towers get hit and collapse that you didn't feel scared and powerless?
The Canadian (and other governments around the world) are not so naive to believe that terrorists actually believe in boundaries.
That is why our soldiers went.
It's the same reasoning soldiers went during the World Wars I & II.
Ask a VET on Nov.11th about that; freedom was challenged.
I'm not making light of the statistics of hungry people etc; that is tragic as well, but other than their deaths, that's about the closest link there is.
And if we're going to get into statistics, why don't we post the amount of monitary aid that these starving coutries get and from whom?
Who do you think will be at the top of the list?
Am I defending the States here? You bet.
It's as much our problem here as it is thiers, if not by proximity, then definately by values and morals. |
EXACTLY>>> THE US IS AWESOME
If you guys who think that the U.S. is such a horrible country and we treat everyone so horribly. I have a great idea for you.... GET THE OUT... If it is so bad here then leave... It is a privilage to live here and I am greatful for it... I think that the U.S. has great reasons for the things we do. Sure maybe we could have done some things better in the past but you know the whole running the country thing and going to war thing is a learning process and we are getting better and better at it every day. |
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| jdat |
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And if we're going to get into statistics, why don't we post the amount of monitary aid that these starving coutries get and from whom?
Who do you think will be at the top of the list?
Am I defending the States here? You bet.
It's as much our problem here as it is thiers, if not by proximity, then definately by values and morals. |
that's ing bull
Danemark is the country that gives the most per citizen : 45 $ per citizen
Usa is 15$ per citizen .... ok usa is bigger then danemark, but it's one of the rich countries giving the least per citizen ....
USA SUCKS AT WORLD POLITICS : WHY ? ( and please no flame wars THINK BEFORE YOU REPLY )
they go and bomb where they have to bomb, and kinda do what they think convenient, and then , leaves people in their OWN
before sept 11 the CIA had been notified that the king of afghanistan was under zero armed protection, they replied you expect us to act fast? well look who's dead now ....
well I do think that after fact, the USA has done a somewhat decent for their work at helping the afgan people setting up a new government, for ONCE.
and my last point, for which I will have to beat the hell outta you if you contradict me ( cause it does apply at 95 % of cases ) , the usa goes in countries and makes them drops to their knees and lets them drink their own blood without giving them support.
that is wrong, and if you say the usa is good, under God, under morals, I say no. It has good intentions at the root, but what motivates these intentions? Money and gas gussling SUVs? The will to be good and save all when in their own country people are struggling with minimum wage? ( I mean it's a wide point of view ok , but their are issues at HOMe that have to be regulated, not that I'm saying I hate usa FAR FROM IT ) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Maaz
It's so strange... Iraq produces a large amount of petroleum and Afghanistan was in the way of a very important oil pipeline that the US wants to build... they were using bombs that were worth 1 million dollars to destroy 10-dollar tents and despite of all their efforts, bin Laden was not found.
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Ok I read that conspiracy theory that insinuated that US let 9/11 happen because of that pipeline in Afghanistan as well. Now lets use common sense to figure this one out ... why would the US let something like this happen which not only caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, killed over 3000 people, put our senior high ranking military leadership in danger, and had a disastrous effect on the US financial sector as a whole putting our economy into a recession that's lasted until now? All this for one single stupid pipeline? Don't you think we simply coulda spent a few million bucks to simply reroute the thing through Pakistan? And you think that we're interfering with Iraq simply to get oil? Here's some food for thought:
The US gets ONLY 8% of its oil from Saudi Arabia ... the largest exporter of oil in the world. We import nearly double that amount from Canada, Venezuala, and Mexico. If we're trying to invade Iraq to get oil don't you think we would just steal it from Canada or Mexico or something? The whole point of the US involvement in the middle east is to MAINTAIN stability in the region. Not to invade and steal oil. Did we steal land from Iraq and set up oil derricks after we won the gulf war? No we pulled back and left troops in the region to maintain stability. Don't you think that if we wanted oil we could have just taken it then? Don't you get it? The reason why we're using million dollar bombs to attack $10 tents is because we're mad as hell and we don't take a kick in the nuts without getting back up and beating the other guy into the ground. |
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