Originally posted by DJ RANN
Don't get me wrong, I think the track is well made but it's cheese.
Could have started from there. :P
Also, agreed on the SHM statement.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
No, it's because it's too ing cheesey. I ing hate the recent slew of over simplified/SHM/LBL breakdown bull that has plagued EDM for the last coupel of years. Read my post above.
I mean how many ing octave spans and high notes does that breakdown hit?
Don't get me wrong, I think the track is well made but it's cheese.
underrated here I guess. I find the back beat, using a really distorted snare that is pretty prominent, along with that tom that anticipates those snares and the general consistency of the track perhaps catchy but not cheesy. It works. I know what you mean. It is too much and as i mentioned before a track you just can't play or shouldn't play. But like how the key is in minor but then you have those synthetic saw horns outlining a major triad. I think that everything just works , there are some subtle complexities to balance the melodic fromage and i can't really find a weakness. I do have an emotional attachment to the track because i did get to experience it as i said on the gay pill. But even as a track on its own, i think it is a classic.
A great track. Not the greatest but I got its back. I find Gouryella's Tenshi was just incredible when it was released and in my mind a better work on many levels. It sounded cutting edge 5 years later. That lead synth patch still would not sound dated today. But that track still doesn't have the same sentimental insistence as out of the blue.
Perhaps that is the one weakness. It is a track that is a little emotionally insistent. But that could also be a strength. I think way too many people played this track at the wrong time which was pretty much any other time other than at the end of your set of the main slot or end of the event.
Light The Fuse
ferry corsten pretty much began and ended with this for me
oh and yeah the bieber remix is well wikkid :/
rubez
+1 for tenshi. my all time favourite. never seems to get boring. it's beautiful and haunting. if i need some goosebumps, this remains a reliable go to tune. has the classic ferry - more system f bassline gurgling underneath it too. also has a real air of class about it.
always hated the folk claiming transa mix topped it... it was absolute e and generic, ruined the entire thing!!
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Light The Fuse
ferry corsten pretty much began and ended with this for me
oh and yeah the bieber remix is well wikkid :/
Oh god. I forgot that was Ferry. Now this gives me goosebumps, and as Richie said, the gay pill was involved many a time.
This to me is one of the most underrated tracks in history. So damn ing good. Probably in my top 5 of all time. The production is amazing without being cheesey and I love the structure of how it builds. The track actually has dynamic range and subtlety while still being able to be played in a club as a peak track.
Thanks for bringing that up.
fredjan
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i find it is under rated. I can't think of any other track in EDM that gives a better sense of ending. As a dj, this was that one track that you couldn't just play except at the end of yoru set. and the next dj would have to just stop the music for a 30 seconds and start with something tribal starting from scratch in terms of momentum. It is the one track i find impossible to really follow with another track.
Silence (Tiesto's ISOS Remix) does all that, imo.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i find it is under rated. I can't think of any other track in EDM that gives a better sense of ending. As a dj, this was that one track that you couldn't just play except at the end of yoru set.
Amusingly, Ferry Corsten himself played it as the second track on his hugely popular Trance Nation compilation (and also halfway through his Solar Serenades compilation).
Looney4Clooney
I wouldn't apply what i said to recorded sets. It is pretty common to play the better tracks as you would in a pop album. 2nd track is usually the single or at least the single they plan on selling the most. When you are selling cds and people are auditioning them at the stores as they once did, you want to get straight to the pay off. if the compilation had a producer, the tracks selected and the overall sequence would be at the mercy of the producer and the studio. Not sure if it was a boutique label to a major but that type of stuff is standard in most contracts. Not to mention it is in his own interest to place it there as it will be heard more and sell more copies. Sort of why those compilations generally sucked. Compared to a live set anyways.
djnitride
I used to love it and now I hate it.
Weird how that works.
SYSTEM-J
Trance Nation was just a hit-fest, but Solar Serenades was pretty much the kind of set he would play in clubs back then. He has also played OOTB mid-set in clubs as well, as this tracklist shows:
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Ferry Corsten - Live @ Hyperstate Oslo Norway (May 08, 1999)
01. Intro: Veracocha - Carte Blanche (Piano Riff)
02. Aurora - Hear You Calling (Fire & Ice Remix)
03. Prototype - Soundpiercing (Omni Mix)
04. The Generator - Where Are You Now? (Moonman Remix)
05. C.L.M. - Centrode
06. Veracocha - Carte Blanche (Origin Remix)
07. Veracocha - Carte Blanche (Original Mix)
08. System F - Out Of The Blue (Original 12" Mix)
09. Tilt - Invisible (Lost Tribe Vocal Mix)
10. Arrakis - Aira Force (Main Mix)
11. Vimana - We Came (Original Mix)
12. Vegas Soul - Retrograde
So yeah, the man who created the track didn't seem to agree with you. Not that Ferry Corsten was ever a great DJ, but I never particularly saw Out Of The Blue as a set-closer either. Certainly a big anthem, but in a formal sense I would say a closing track should build towards a climax, reaching maximum intensity right near the end. Out Of The Blue has the same double-breakdown structure as most epic trance hits from the late '90s. I also think it's quite pacey, keeps up the momentum with short breakdowns and little in the way of long build-ups. For me it's more the kind of track you'd play mid-set because it would let a DJ put in a big anthemic melody without necessarily killing the energy levels.
I can think of plenty of other classic EDM tracks that "give a better sense of ending". This one immediately springs to mind:
blackplanet
Last time I saw Ferry (early '05 I think) he closed his set with it.
Lews
While "Air" is one of my favorite tracks of all time, I've never been a huge Ferry fan. I enjoyed some of his Gouryella work, a while ago, but that was about it.
