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Psyshell - 4am in Healesville [Forest Darkpsy for Forest Elves] (pg. 4)
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| Psyshell |
That's a fairly reasonable post. However I do indeed not feel like humouring you and explaining why I like darkpsy and you don't. My assumption based on what you posted is that you didn't like the majority of the tracks, in which case as I mentioned listening would be a bit pointless.
Also genre arguments in MD tend to get a bit heated, I'm not sure what your point was when it came to the exact type of vocabulary I was using at that time. You are correct in that I don't know anything about you really, but my first impression was you winging about the tracks in the mix. So concidering this forum is about dj mixing and not music production; I found those sortof comments to not be terribly useful since some people simply are not going to like the mix because of the music contained within. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
I knew you'd held a grudge against me ever since that full on mix and hence why along with certain personal atacks it was the reason I originally put "no ziptnf" in the OP of the other thread. I didn't want that sortof drama. If you don't want me commenting on your mixes then fine. There's no point being like "well if you say mine suck then yours suck too", that's just pointless. I'd instead argue that we have quite different taste. You choose extremely weak breakbeat full on tracks that I find boring and annoying and you feel the same way about my taste in darkpsy. Different tastes. Who cares! |
Firstly, I only commented on your full-on mix when you came into one of mine guns blazing and complaining that it wasn't very good and "not to your taste". I had already heard yours and it was terrible. The fact that my mixes are downloaded more by a factor of 10 sorta trumps your idea that I'm mixing "extremely weak, boring annoying" music. I think your ear is broken. Especially if you found my latest offering (Fractal Geometry) weak or boring. I can guarantee you that beyond the artists themselves, nobody is playing psytrance that has that much energy.
| quote: | | My other point was, maybe we just have different taste in music? If you listen to all 9 tracks singley and don't enjoy a single one, don't even bother posting feedback more detailed than "well, I don't like it". It's just pointless. |
Except I didn't, you ing dolt. I told you I liked tracks 3 and 8, but your fatal flaw in this mix was your arrangement, most of your selections, and mixing.
| quote: | | Also, full on is different to mix to darkpsy due to what I'm going for. I can't imagine doing a mix transition in full on where cutting mids would be preferable to cutting highs ever. With darkpsy (depending on the kind of darkpsy as well, e.g. horror dark, forest dark, psycore, russian style, israeli style) in certain circumstances like the tracks included in the mix I do believe it is preferable. That was my point and main quibble with ziptnf in terms of mechanical things djing wise. I simply thing that darkpsy is mixed slightly differently to full on. |
That's not the point either, and you are blissfully ignoring the point of my original review. I told you that your problems were in phrasing, not in "cutting middle frequencies" or whatever nonsense you are talking about. Where did I EVER ing say that? You are literally making up just to add to your wall of text.
| quote: | | Ultimately proceeding from there and saying "well you've never really done a darkpsy mix of this particular style" is IMO a valid comment. "I've heard magdansky's" is not really a proper reply. That's not first hand experience. If zipntf wants to do a darkpsy mix of a similar style to this and does it way better in terms of track selection and transitions. I'd love that, it'd give me something to listen to and it'd also show me a lot in terms of how that style is done. |
I bet you money right now that if I made a "forest psy" mix you'd come into the thread complaining about how it's not "foresty enough" and how you don't "feel the elves fondling your balls like Goa Gil can". I've already made TWO darkpsy mixes. One is twilight in the first half, darkpsy in the second. You can go look for them in my set archive.
| quote: | | You misunderstand the point of what I was saying. When the thread devolves into everyone winging about how darkpsy is and ziptnf winging about my mix for random reasons because he's been bitter since my attempt at full on, then sorry to say but that's not a very productive thread. Perhaps instead I should be write "If you can't name 2 darkpsy artists you enjoy" then make some vaguely sensible post and or just don't just winge about darkpsy + "maybe next time you'll make a mix of a genre I'll enjoy" constantly. Seems so obvious that it should've even need to be stated to me. Regardless, I can just ignore stupid like whatever it was bierheld posted in the other thread and just not respond, which is what I probably will do in the future if I actually show some semblence of self control. |
You are so delusional and ridiculous, I honestly don't know what ing planet you live on.
| quote: | | Also, saying that someone who hardly ever mixes darkpsy doesn't understand how to mix it is a legit comment. Especially since what I essentially said is this: It's darkpsy, it doesn't need have as steady a flow as full on. |
Did you seriously just say that I don't understand how to mix darkpsy? What the is wrong with you? You've LISTENED to Yin's Reign! Even my other darkpsy mix (Yin's Revenge) had two trainwrecks in which I discussed briefly how difficult it can be to mix darkpsy and tracks with triple-kicks in an introduction phrase.
And yes, psytrance mixes SHOULD have a steady flow. All subgenres. That's because psytrance isn't really played at clobs where people go out and fist-pump for one track and then go to the bar on the next track. Psytrance should be reserved for festivals and grimey basements or warehouses where nobody gives a about selling liquor, they just want awesome music.
After listening to my darkpsy mix, you gave a rather nice review. Even though you said it's top 3, I find it noticeably absent when you mention mixes you enjoy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Suprisingly our taste in darkpsy is a lot closer than in full on. An actually good darkpsy mix, I think this is one of the two I've downloaded (along with cybernetika's warpcore 3) out of like 7. |
Why do you think I've only done two darkpsy mixes, Darkarbiter? Why do you think that I've NEVER done a forest psy mix? Do you think it's because forest psy is a flabby version of an otherwise dark and scary genre that is saturated with thousands of tracks that all sound the same? Seriously, 95% of all darkpsy is mindless warping, and for you to be so valiantly defending a less-interesting version of it makes me wonder why you put so much faith in this music? I'll be the first person to admit that psytrance isn't for everyone, and if someone is more of a house/techno guy and doesn't enjoy it, I don't mind and thank them for listening and send them on their way. You berate and belittle your listeners to the point where any criticism of the music itself so brutally offends you, so you lash out and write giant walls of text to prove your point.
I almost feel like making an off-release mix called "Elves Are Faggots" that is forest/darkpsy just to prove that you can make a better mix by focusing on a direction, arranging and mixing properly, and only choosing awesome tracks can beat a half-assed attempt any time.
Go listen to Magadansky's mix again. He keeps the energy constant, which works too. And stop being a knob. |
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| ziptnf |
Also, do yourself a favor and listen to this dude's mix. He does everything I said should be done in a good forest/darkpsy/whateverthepsy set. I literally did one quick search for "forest" on psynews and found it.
This mix is practically flawless. Seriously, take notes. He crushes it. |
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| ziptnf |
I'd also like to make an analogy to you, Psyshell. Have you ever seen those TV shows like Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares or Restaurant Impossible where guys like Gordon Ramsay and Robert Irvine come to failing restaurants to tell their owners why they're losing money? It always comes down to them telling the owners how their food is , they treat their customers like , and their customers don't come back because they don't want to waste their time with bull.
I'm not trying to say I'm the ing Gordon Ramsay of psytrance, but Stu brought me into this thread originally to give you feedback, so I told you that the content wasn't anything special and your mixing/arrangement was not good, then you treat me and Bierheld like for saying that we didn't care for the music. That's like a restaurant serving frozen food to their customer and then berating them when they say they don't like it.
So here I am to tell you that your food was and your service sucks, so that's why you're failing. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
I'm not trying to say I'm the ing Gordon Ramsay of psytrance... |
But you could be!
:gsmile: |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Firstly, I only commented on your full-on mix when you came into one of mine guns blazing and complaining that it wasn't very good and "not to your taste". |
I made some stupid posts over a year ago. I haven't made any posts about mixes that negative since. Get over it please?
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
I told you I liked tracks 3 and 8, but your fatal flaw in this mix was your arrangement, most of your selections, and mixing. |
My fatal flaw was absolutely everything. It's my first mix in 3 years, what'd you expect?
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
I can guarantee you that beyond the artists themselves, nobody is playing psytrance that has that much energy. |
This just in; we have different ideas of what constitutes energetic psytrance.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Did you seriously just say that I don't understand how to mix darkpsy? What the is wrong with you? You've LISTENED to Yin's Reign! Even my other darkpsy mix (Yin's Revenge) had two trainwrecks in which I discussed briefly how difficult it can be to mix darkpsy and tracks with triple-kicks in an introduction phrase.
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Yes I did, my point being that I'm basing my mixing on darkpsy sets I've heard with better/more darkspy appropriate mixing than yours. Concidering we probably have quite different taste in terms of what sets we enjoy as well as music, no doubt you'd like different things in them and different flow etc.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
The fact that my mixes are downloaded more by a factor of 10 sorta trumps your idea that I'm mixing "extremely weak, boring annoying" music. |
First off, the idea that popularity=everything is extremely stupid. I don't care who's popular, we both make sets that are worth listening to to both the maker and at least one other person and that's all that matters. Improving over time is just a bonus.
Seriously, I knew that you+psytrance=loads of drama, hence why I put the no ing ziptnf bit in my first thread. Obviously if I'm getting no downloads then it's time for some really harsh advice, but if I'm not asking for extra popularity why the hell do you feel the need to rub in that you're more popular? Regardless of whether or not I'm better at darkpsy mixing or any mixing it's just a stupid thing to say either way.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
I almost feel like making an off-release mix called "Elves Are Faggots" that is forest/darkpsy just to prove that you can make a better mix by focusing on a direction, arranging and mixing properly, and only choosing awesome tracks can beat a half-assed attempt any time.
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How about you make both a joke one and a good one, and then I'll have at least one rather nice darkpsy set to listen to won't I?
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
that's why you're failing. |
My two IRL friends who I thought would enjoy it did indeed enjoy it. I'm not "failing". If you have no idea what my goals were then you have no idea whether or not I'm failing. Did you think I posted this set to be more popular than you or something? My only goals were the following:
-To get some positive feedback (from at least one person, after that it can be negative) - TICK
-To get some criticism and to learn how to improve - TICK
-To get more darkpsy sets posted on tranceaddict -PARTIAL TICK (at the very least, I'll be posting some, it'll be good to hear better attempts than mine too... that'll be someone to learn from)
What I very much didn't want before I finished pressing the create thread button:
-To start stupid genre arguments. Apparently not putting the genre in the title doesn't help. - FAIL
-To get in an argument with ziptnf about who's better yet again - FAIL
-To not get drawn into some sortof argument that involves me and ziptnf insulting each other's mixes - FAIL
-To get no downloads (only listens on soundcloud) and to get no one enjoying it -AVOIDED/SUCCESS
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
But you could be!
:gsmile: |
Yeh nah, that's what isratrance/psynews/psy party contacts are for. Ziptnf seems to want to rate my mix out of 10 (or good/bad/ok) and to have me just accept that and then proceed to suck his dick. Also, if there's a TA mix of the month competition, ofcourse we'll be competing for that, but it shall very much be up to third parties to decide, and either way our mixes are both listenable so anything else is just a bonus. Not gonna happen. I do enjoy hearing the weakest parts and then improving each and every weakness though (if I agree with it... and sometimes I may not... e.g. a very disorienting track that ofcourse was meant to break the energy). |
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| ziptnf |
you, dude, I'm only a dick to you because you're a dick to me. This is not new, I am very nice to a majority of the members here. Jack and I have had our spats, but he's had those with almost everybody, so it doesn't count. You completely invented this "drama" that we supposedly had.
You're being a douchebag. So I'm being one back. |
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| Psyshell |
Fine, well even if it's my fault, can we agree to be more positive to each other in the future? I'll try to keep all criticism of your mixes positive or at least constructive. E.g. commenting on the ones I've enjoyed after I've listened to them all the way through rather than saying much else for the ones that had tracks I didn't like. I don't really mind how you post on my mixes however, it's perfectly possible that we have separate etiquette or whatever. That said... if someone doesn't like over 50% of the tracks when they look them up on youtube... in general I'd say that that's more to do with having different taste... and that any commentary past "choose better tracks" is pointless. It's difficult to understand how a set is meant to feel if you're not enjoying it at all (especially if it's because of poor quality tracks).
One thing I don't understand is why you interprete me having a different taste in psy to you as me having excessively high standards that I fail to live up to. Just because I don't like psybreaks much and you don't like the lithuanian label a lot of the tracks in this are sourced from doesn't mean that I somehow have stupidly high standards. Check out the artists/albums these tracks were sourced from and make a mix of a similar style and I'm quite likely to like it for obvious reasons (so long as the set is built around those tracks and they aren't just randomly thrown in). |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| no one cares about your self absorbed nonsensical essays. |
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| Psyshell |
Good, you can proceed on not caring by not bumping my thread. I'd love it if people only stuck to the music and didn't start taking things personally. If however you instead want to bump my thread so my mix gets more downloads... then go ahead.
This isn't the COR. |
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| ziptnf |
Be more positive? Eat my ing dick, I was positive before you took a all over my opinion. So no, I'll treat you however I want. If you make another mix, don't put some -ass passive aggressive bull like "NO ZIPTNF PLZ". I won't attack you unless I'm provoked. I'll give you my constructive opinion, and that's all.
Keep my name outta yo mouf and we can keep it the same, nigga. It ain't that I'm too big to listen to the rumors, its just that I'm too damn big to pay attention to em, that's the difference.
/dre |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
If you make another mix, don't put some -ass passive aggressive bull like "NO ZIPTNF PLZ". |
Fine, I do learn from experience you know. I couldn't have known what the reaction was going to be from half the text in the thread without making it first. For example apparently putting mythological creatures where the genre is supposed to go gets the mix more attention... I still haven't decided whether that's good or bad. Still, I think you should respect that fact that you're not the assigned judge of psytrance on this forum(even if you do have experience listening to thousands of psy mixes, I've still listened to 100s). No one is, and for good reason. If you don't like my mix and I do then you should just deal with it. Call me arrogant if you want. Again I'd like to reiterate that criticism and pointing out the weakest bits is always appreciated regardless though. |
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