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Psyshell - 4am in Healesville [Forest Darkpsy for Forest Elves] (pg. 5)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| You have this remarkable ability to realise halfway through writing a sentence that what you've written is almost certainly wrong or irrelevant, and yet you always end the sentence by committing to your nonsense nonetheless. Reading your torturous posts is like seeing the mental process of a vaguely self-aware idiot laid bare. |
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| Psyshell |
If you're going to bother posting, mind telling me what you thought of my mix then? I know that's not exactly what you said, but my posts certainly could do with more planning. That said when it's in reply to some really stupid crap as seen in this thread and the last one I tend to not care too much about quality. Can everyone in this thread please remember, this is a content thread, it's not something random in the Cor. Insulting me here when it's not about music is just pointless, all it does is bump my thread and give me more exposure.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Reading your torturous posts is like seeing the mental process of a vaguely self-aware idiot laid bare. |
More like 5 edits and no editing/restructuring makes for very poor flow and grammar. I should probably improve the quality of my posts outside my dj mix threads, but here so long as the point is gotten across it's up to me IMO. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
...when it's in reply to some really stupid crap as seen in this thread and the last one I tend to not care too much about quality. |
It's not anyone else's fault but your own and 99% of the "stupid crap" is yours, to begin with. Instead of assuming responsibility for the mess, you externalize it. You rationalize your own decisions with fictitious fault finding. You contrive motivations, such as biased subjectivity, when your critics are plainly being objective. No matter how wrong you are - and you are very, very, wrong - you waste a herculean amount of energy just to assert that you're right and, in so doing, you have made a complete fool of yourself. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Setting aside any debate about the quality of the tracks, your mix is extremely half-arsed. It's way too short and most of the tracks came from one compilation, which clearly says you didn't search very hard for tracks. You openly admit that you had a few goes at it, kept ing up so just put out the best of a flawed bunch of drafts. It's full of mixing errors and bad decisions because hardly any time went into it. You start off by saying it's your first mix in three years, so it's not like you're a skilled and practised DJ who can just play a great set on the fly.
I don't see the point in putting it out, and please save me a rambling response to the effect of "Yeah I probably should have done more drafts but I have ADHD and whatever, so I released it anyway". The standard of DJing in this sub-forum is generally very, very high, and your amateurish effort is never going to receive more than extremely qualified praise at most. All you could realistically expect was technical feedback on where you went wrong, and when Ziptnf did that in patient detail, you came up with a bunch of fragmentary paranoid nonsense in response. Again, you have this bizarre propensity for doublethink. You know the mix is flawed because you said so, but you're in massive denial when someone points out exactly where you need to improve? Stop taking acid, it's doing bad things to you. |
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| Psyshell |
The main thing that has changed my attitude with mixes is putting them out from the perspective of a party attendent rather than simply staying at home listening to music and never going out. Absolutely I need to improve and an overall good post.
What things am I in denial about in terms of where ziptnf said I need to improve? If you're talking about track selection, well most of the tracks contained within his mixes I find pretty boring so it's a pretty reasonable assumption that's what's going on when he listens to mine. I absolutely need to improve in terms of flow and mixing ability; but that still doesn't change the fact that darkpsy (IMO) isn't meant to be as smooth a journey as full on, which is where that argument started. Now that said, if someone posts a darkpsy set that has a flow I like a lot (e.g. cybernetika warpcore 3) then I'll be happy to back down and follow some it's technique. As far as I've heard ziptnf treats darkpsy exactly like full on and that's not the type of set I'm going for flow/transitions wise.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You contrive motivations, such as biased subjectivity, when your critics are plainly being objective. |
This is music we're talking about, it's not as simple as being "plainly objective". Most of your post is probably at least partially true however. That said, there were some bull posts that essentially amounted to "pick better music next time" which no one else here seems to recognise. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
I absolutely need to improve in terms of flow and mixing ability; but that still doesn't change the fact that darkpsy (IMO) isn't meant to be as smooth a journey as full on, which is where that argument started. |
Again. "I know I'm wrong, but I'm still going to argue every point down to the bone". If you know your mixing and flow need work, at least respect the opinion of someone who provides careful feedback about them. Nobody is ever going to agree with you 100% about how your set should sound. As you've just said, music is subjective, and every listener will have slightly different ideas. So instead of starting a massive quote-fest argument just because Ziptnf's ideas about how darkpsy should be DJed are different to yours, just take it as his subjective opinion, coming from a different sub-sub-genre of psy, or whatever esoteric justification you're using to shield yourself from criticism. |
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| Psyshell |
Basically, I agree.
That said... lets put the situation into the abstract to make it a bit easier. Lets assume I'm a techno dj. I post a techno set and a trance dj comes along and posts all these house music mixing techniques and how what I'm doing with mixing techno is all wrong. I look at the trance dj's sets and i see that he hasn't made many techno sets. When I listen to the one's he does have, I can see that they're mixed in a very trance style and focus on the melody but ignore the rythmn. Said trance dj also tells me how he's actually both the king of unicorns and run down factories and has over 1000 hours of techno listening experience.
In that situation what am I supposed to do that doesn't involve said trance dj accusing me of arrogance? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I would say, as an inexperienced techno DJ who's not put much effort into his set and has openly admitted it's flawed, you should probably be shutting your mouth and doing your best to improve before you tell someone else they don't know what they're talking about. |
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| Psyshell |
Well in that, I disagree. The differences are more complicated than that. I may be an inexperienced dj but I am an experienced set listener with the genre. I also believe the other person doesn't understand it. The fact they seem not to like it and have hardly any mixes that even qualify as remotely similar adds weight to that assumption of mine. I mean at the end of the day, it's not a matter of there being 10 "techno" djs here; there's about 3 people who regularly post (and I use that very term loosely) that even have any experience with the genre. With the main one of those 3 mostly having experience with "trance" and with a bunch of "house" djs calling me arrogant for not respecting the "trance" dj's opinion on a genre he has very limited experience with.
Now, regardless of what anyone says, I'm going to keep posting mixes of genres I enjoy (with very occasionally some genres other people may request) and hopefully I'm going to take in some criticism from this mix. It is indeed a bit rushed, but I have a bit of a problem with finishing things and delaying things so I figured release+feedback was the best option after I'd redone it about 3 times (and then it took another 4 to do it without too many mistakes). Hopefully both my technique and track selection will improve over the next 1-5 mixes. If not, feel free to point it out.
Also, please bear in mind, I have two distinct problems with two distinct posters in both threads. One thinks he knows everything about the genre when honestly if I was to measure it I would say that's not true. The other one simply gave me a detailed analysis after he said he didn't like the component tracks. Which I said was a bit useless. I probably shouldn't have reacted the way I did to the second poster but still, that's cleared up and resolved now.
p.s. The problems with my posts can be summed up nicely. Poor grammar & flow. I can fix that easily by practicing writing well. I'm no where near as confusing in an instant messaging or IRL convo. I just haven't done anything academic (outside of programming and setting up computers) in a few years. Mixing up how things are coded in Lua with English grammar certainly doesn't help post readability either. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
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Dude, no one cares how you rationalize any of this. You obviously don't handle criticism well and your butthurt posts are a joke. Shut up, try again. Next time be a good sport. |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Dude, no one cares how you rationalize any of this. You obviously don't handle criticism well and your butthurt posts are a joke. Shut up, try again. Next time be a good sport. |
You're a joke. Now seriously, unless you listen to this genre or something even remotely related. OFF. You're just a cor idiot who's decided to jump on the hate bandwagon. This isn't the COR. I'm also not interested in what you think is going on inside my head(at least not in a thread that's in dj promotion). You're not even remotely accurate. System J may be but you're not.
Also, who are you to say no one cares in this thread? You don't listen to anything similar. So contrary to what you've said, I don't care what you have to say, so don't bother saying it. Go find some thread in the CoR to post this crap in please. |
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