Originally posted by StereoPrincess
ha ha. am i in the twilight zone?
sounds so silly.
this is DJing we are talking about right?
It's funny, I went looking for some a live SHM video with prolonged camera footage of what they do in the booth during one of their "live" performances, and none seems to exist. I was honestly looking for something to compare to DJs such as Claude Young, Terrence Parker, Traxx and others who I've seen, who are not only talented producers, but who also work ridiculously hard when they're behind the decks.
So if you're telling me that this:
Is somehow comparable to this:
I'm going to suggest that you expand your definition of a DJ (or controllerist) beyond someone who "chooses songs to play in front of drunk people that some others made on a computer".
PivotTechno
Hadn't seen it in ages, so my wife and I watched "Crazy People" on the weekend on Netflix. Such an underrated film, all about truth in advertising...
So maybe I'd have less of a problem with SHM if they were actually truthful in promoting what it is that they do.
"Swedish House Mafia - an amazing and expensive light and sound spectacle, with three guys jumping around and self congratulating themselves on stage while their prerecorded music plays in the background."
Pantone199c
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
Hadn't seen it in ages, so my wife and I watched "Crazy People" on the weekend on Netflix. Such an underrated film, all about truth in advertising...
So maybe I'd have less of a problem with SHM if they were actually truthful in promoting what it is that they do.
"Swedish House Mafia - an amazing and expensive light and sound spectacle, with three guys jumping around and self congratulating themselves on stage while their prerecorded music plays in the background."
I remember when I got to college I decided on Graphic Design as my major and had a friend tell me to take Advertising. Jeez, I hated every moment of that class and subsequently dropped it. Advertising is just the art of lying to get someone to buy something. Now I at least get to choose my own clients and work with non-profits instead of just lying and feeling like a corporate douche about what I do. Working at a Advertising Firm would be my personal hell with account execs hovering over you all the time.
HappyDude72
It amazes me how people settle for very little...
The SHM show is supposed to have amazing production value worth millions ? Seriously ?
Look up videos for any of the Sensation shows.
That is what amazing production is about.
Lighting, Pyrotechnics, Acrobats, Lasers, Smoke effects, Holograms, etc
I have two things to say to all y'all who are hating in this thread:
1) What ever happened to the PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect) mentality of the EDM scene? I think you need to take a figurative step back and try to realize that that is what music - all music - should be about. (Except country, screw those guys...KIDDING!)
2) Please read Markus Schulz's October 2004 post on this forum - yes, THAT Markus Schulz - which was titled: "A Message from Markus Schulz" , take his message to heart, and think before you post vitriol in future. His message is, unfortunately, as relevant today as it was then. Let's be better, I know we can.
Much love to the entire TOTA & TA community,
abort416 aka @TheDanLevy
jchung52
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
It's funny, I went looking for some a live SHM video with prolonged camera footage of what they do in the booth during one of their "live" performances, and none seems to exist. I was honestly looking for something to compare to DJs such as Claude Young, Terrence Parker, Traxx and others who I've seen, who are not only talented producers, but who also work ridiculously hard when they're behind the decks.
what you haven't seen Angello's 7 deck mixing with no headphones?????
lol
Pantone199c
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Originally posted by abort416
I have two things to say to all y'all who are hating in this thread:
1) What ever happened to the PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect) mentality of the EDM scene? I think you need to take a figurative step back and try to realize that that is what music - all music - should be about. (Except country, screw those guys...KIDDING!)
2) Please read Markus Schulz's October 2004 post on this forum - yes, THAT Markus Schulz - which was titled: "A Message from Markus Schulz" , take his message to heart, and think before you post vitriol in future. His message is, unfortunately, as relevant today as it was then. Let's be better, I know we can.
Much love to the entire TOTA & TA community,
abort416 aka @TheDanLevy
You can read my signatures. I believe in evolving styles but when that style is really popular and all of a sudden all of the dj's have evolved in the same manner I call bull.
Look PLUR is dead, I haven't gone to an event where I feel PLUR from anyone except a handful of people and those people I love. Shoving, pushing, ry and that's not even at a SHM show. The word PLUR has been bastardized.
Ozmozis
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Originally posted by Pantone199c
You can read my signatures. I believe in evolving styles but when that style is really popular and all of a sudden all of the dj's have evolved in the same manner I call bull.
Look PLUR is dead, I haven't gone to an event where I feel PLUR from anyone except a handful of people and those people I love. Shoving, pushing, ry and that's not even at a SHM show. The word PLUR has been bastardized.
+1
PivotTechno
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Originally posted by TheDanLevy
What ever happened to the PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect) mentality of the EDM scene? I think you need to take a figurative step back and try to realize that that is what music - all music - should be about.
Yeah, let's get this straight and up to date - PLUR was primarily about things like small parties held by friends (or friends of friends), with no cover, or by donation, or promoters who were generous enough to reduce ticket prices for groups who showed up to support ("there's 10 of you? o.k., $10/ea instead of $15!"), or those who couldn't afford to pay full pop. It was about small, meaningful gestures like free water and fresh fruit in the morning for those who stayed for the duration. PLUR started from the top down - that altruism and general notion of taking care of the people who attended your night couldn't help but trickle straight down from the DJs to the dancefloor - that's why the vibe at actual raves was often so transcendental.
Let's contrast that with the SHM show, which was held at the Rogers Centre, was brought to Toronto by Electronic Nation, a subsidiary of Live Nation, with tickets sold by Ticketweb, a subsidiary of Ticketmaster. It was a concert, not a rave, corporate from top to bottom, and unless you happen to be buddies with Ryan, I can pretty much guarantee that if you wanted a free ticket to the show, you would have to have shared or liked something on Facebook for a chance to win one. I'm sure a good part of the intent was to deliver superior product to those in attendance, but let's face facts - this show had as much to do with branding, commerce and profit as it did music. Certainly not my bag, but that's what people shelled out upwards of $120 for (if Kijiji is a decent indicator). So please, don't make this out to be some starry-eyed, early-90s clandestine warehouse party filled with hugs and feather boas, because it doesn't even exist in the same realm.
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Let's be better, I know we can.
You're right, I feel much better for having laid all that out.
kotsy
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
quality!
PivotTechno
you and your $300 YSL t-shirt, poseur.
hardcore trancer
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
Yeah, let's get this straight and up to date - PLUR was primarily about things like small parties held by your friends (or friends of friends), with no cover, or by donation, or promoters who were generous enough to reduce ticket prices for groups who showed up to support ("there's 10 of you? o.k., $10/ea instead of $15!"), or those who couldn't afford to pay full pop. Small, meaningful gestures like free water and fresh fruit in the morning for those who stayed for the duration. PLUR started from the top down - that altruism and general notion of taking care of the people who attended your night couldn't help but trickle straight down from the DJs to the dancefloor - that's why the vibe at actual raves was often so transcendental.
Let's contrast that with the SHM show, which was held at the Rogers Centre, was brought to Toronto by Electronic Nation, a subsidiary of Live Nation, with tickets sold by Ticketweb, a subsidiary of Ticketmaster. It was a concert, not a rave, corporate from top to bottom, and unless you happen to be buddies with Ryan, I can pretty much guarantee that if you wanted a free ticket to the show, you would have to have shared or liked something on Facebook for a chance to win one. I'm sure a good part of the intent was to deliver superior product to those in attendance, but let's face facts - this show had as much to do with branding, commerce and profit as it did music. Certainly not my bag, but that's what people shelled out upwards of $120 for (if Kijiji is a decent indicator). So please, don't make this out to be some starry-eyed, early-90s clandestine warehouse party filled with hugs and feather boas, because it doesn't even exist in the same realm.
