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The Corstitution: The Rules of the COR (pg. 5)
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| SYSTEM-J |
The problem is gross overshare with complete strangers. Don't release embarrassing, compromising or incriminating information into the waterways and then cry foul when it comes back and bites you publicly in the ass. It's well known that the COR is populated by some extremely odd and disturbing characters, and who knows what evil lurks from beyond the portal of Google?
Anyway, the only thing "killing" this place is the decline of trance music. This site was at its busiest when trance was extremely popular, and as that's declined we've had less new members sign up and older members predictably drop off as they stop clubbing, stop keeping up with the music or move on with their tastes. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to halt the slow demise of this community, and you may as well accept that and go down with the gloriously dysfunctional ship. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The problem is gross overshare with complete strangers. Don't release embarrassing, compromising or incriminating information into the waterways and then cry foul when it comes back and bites you publicly in the ass. It's well known that the COR is populated by some extremely odd and disturbing characters, and who knows what evil lurks from beyond the portal of Google? |
Although this may be something of a problem in a few cases, putting the blame on the victim really doesn't help, specially if the victim did not share as much as you'd think.
For the sake of the argument, suppose I didn't send you a friend request on Facebook that day. Instead, I just confirmed what your name is, saw the city you're based on and, with some radagastian stamina, I found out where you work (or whether you're on the dole), and so on. I'd have done this with just your name, and then you'd have little control over the rest. Would you really put the blame on yourself for publishing music reviews using your real name?
You'd be the victim, not the one at fault.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Anyway, the only thing "killing" this place is the decline of trance music. This site was at its busiest when trance was extremely popular, and as that's declined we've had less new members sign up and older members predictably drop off as they stop clubbing, stop keeping up with the music or move on with their tastes. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to halt the slow demise of this community, and you may as well accept that and go down with the gloriously dysfunctional ship. |
That's definitely a factor, but hardly the only one. When I first came here, some ten years ago, the only reason I stayed was because jploveparade and igottaknow welcomed me with open arms, and posted some fun stuff. This is hardly the case nowadays, as bickering seems to be the favourite pastime of some members. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
lol.
all of the examples listed were me. i guess i'm on my final countdown too. |
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| tubularbills |
I'd say we don't really need a corestitution. we haven't had one in ... 11+ years? people make dumb mistakes and others take advantage of it. i'm sure something like this happens every year. and if someone REALLY wants to be a and get information, they'll do it anyway (i.e. the Jay/Russell incident).
the stunt that just recently happened has happened before with other members, nudes, vivid, etc... maybe not to this extent, but I swear I've heard stories like this before over the past years.
So will this corestitution make that type of activity stop? I highly doubt it. there's even idiots like Nou who just asked to be banned for no reason other than they have no life and feel the need to be on TA every waking moment.
so what IS the solution? hell if I know. I've never been involved with any of the stupid crap like this. I'm just a normal, regular poster. :/ |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
So will this corestitution make that type of activity stop? I highly doubt it |
So do I. It will just make our work more transparent. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I believe not. That was just an inside joke :p |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by itsamemario
i got some timestamped 2012 :gsmile: |
It's a bit in poor taste to keep mentioning them, don't you think?
Please refrain from talking about these pictures, they don't concern any of us, mate. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Although this may be something of a problem in a few cases, putting the blame on the victim really doesn't help, specially if the victim did not share as much as you'd think.
For the sake of the argument, suppose I didn't send you a friend request on Facebook that day. Instead, I just confirmed what your name is, saw the city you're based on and, with some radagastian stamina, I found out where you work (or whether you're on the dole), and so on. I'd have done this with just your name, and then you'd have little control over the rest. Would you really put the blame on yourself for publishing music reviews using your real name?
You'd be the victim, not the one at fault. |
It's got nothing to do with "blame". My point is that you are open to this kind of attack from people who are not even registered members. If someone wants to you up with personal information and has the know-how to do the kind of detective work you're talking about, banning them from this forum won't stop them. People need to stop running their mouth to almost total-strangers about extremely personal or outright illegal activities. What we've seen is the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential damage. Jay always stopped when the point had been made.
| quote: | | That's definitely a factor, but hardly the only one. When I first came here, some ten years ago, the only reason I stayed was because jploveparade and igottaknow welcomed me with open arms, and posted some fun stuff. This is hardly the case nowadays, as bickering seems to be the favourite pastime of some members. |
That's anecdotal and irrelevant. When I first joined I remember getting castigated by the wiser members for spouting some very uninformed opinions about various musical topics. You can't legislate a forum of thousands of people according to what made you like the place. Trying to return the forum to some mythical, unscientific perception of what it was like in 2002 is utterly futile, because it isn't 2002. It wasn't simply some happy-go-lucky PLUR atmosphere that made this place so popular. Throughout its history, TA has been predominantly self-policing and that has its upsides and its downsides. Trying to moderate out the negatives is a recipe for disaster. |
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| Coup |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
I remember narcism being a fine looking broad |
She's bang tidy mate. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It's a bit in poor taste to keep mentioning them, don't you think?
Please refrain from talking about these pictures, they don't concern any of us, mate. |
Now hold on a second, they may very well be a concern to us. I think the best thing to do is post them and let us be the judge. |
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| FrickleTickle |
The whole borestitution is retarded. The Cor is not dying because of Drama for the first time in years BECAUSE of the drama we have old posters posting again. We have more than 4 active threads and there seems to be responses every few minutes rather than every few hours.
If you put in effect rules you will have to enforce them. Considering Swamper does not come online anymore how are you going to unsuspend the people who are suspended???? one by one you will be perma banning members without even knowing and thus putting the last nail in this coffin for good.
I don't think the cor needs 2 mods. Personally I dont think Lira should be modding over here. We appreciate the creativity and the idea, but its not going to happen. We understand you want to protect petite lil selma but punishing the cor is not the way to do it. Anyone else believe Lira should only be a member of the cor and not a moderator of the cor say, Aye.
Let the cor speak, and before you delete this alt i'd like to say this is Vivid and I am posting because my voice should be heard as well since I am one of the biggest contributors to this forum in the last 12 yrs.
Anyways, all for Lira being demodded from the cor say Aye! Stu was doing a great job anyways (eventhough i technically beat him for the position 2 yrs ago) and lira has made this place kinda weird now
Aye! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's got nothing to do with "blame". My point is that you are open to this kind of attack from people who are not even registered members. If someone wants to you up with personal information and has the know-how to do the kind of detective work you're talking about, banning them from this forum won't stop them. People need to stop running their mouth to almost total-strangers about extremely personal or outright illegal activities. What we've seen is the tip of the iceberg in terms of potential damage. Jay always stopped when the point had been made. |
It won't stop them, you're right, but it doesn't mean we'll just shrug it off and let people be abused left and right - at least not here.
It was never our intention to protect people all over the internet, as that's clearly an infeasible project. But, as far as the COR goes, we'll do our best.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That's anecdotal and irrelevant. When I first joined I remember getting castigated by the wiser members for spouting some very uninformed opinions about various musical topics. You can't legislate a forum of thousands of people according to what made you like the place. Trying to return the forum to some mythical, unscientific perception of what it was like in 2002 is utterly futile, because it isn't 2002. It wasn't simply some happy-go-lucky PLUR atmosphere that made this place so popular. Throughout its history, TA has been predominantly self-policing and that has its upsides and its downsides. Trying to moderate out the negatives is a recipe for disaster. |
Yes, it's anecdotal. No, it's not irrelevant - your experience isn't irrelevant either. Mind you, not a single one of the rules stated here would stop you from learning from the other users who mocked you for being an ignorant at the time... and it wouldn't shield you from some of the abuse either. If you read the rules, you'll see we don't want this to be a plurful place full of unicorns, rainbows, and bird pictures. We're just drawing the line where it's always been, and letting users know what the rules are.
In short, the only real change is regarding transparency. Perhaps a stricter take on what we called bullying (reason why I mentioned my experience), and that's it. This is hardly a tyrannical attempt to turn this into a plurtopia. |
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