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rape prevention controversy (pg. 2)
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| PaULiN0 |
| Some times I just can't hold it in and I need some effing release, godamnit !!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek: |
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| Psyshell |
I agree with system j but I'll add this. I don't think you can really decide which order or priority different approaches can go in. You always need to evaluate the benefits and drawbacks of each approach (and the ease of implementation) of each. The rape situation is also signficantly complicated by the fact that it's a quite different crime to other types of crimes. For instance even if focusing on helping victims prevent it happening against themselves was the most effective way of stopping it then it could somewhat backfire and cause the perpetuators to believe that it's somewhat more accepted than it is or that it is the victims fault more often.
As I was kind've hinting at earlier I also think there should be a far bigger focus on what we can do to help prevent the attitudes in certain subsections of society that think it might be ok.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
But to consistently pivot on the advice of "don't get raped" is wholly ignoring that rape is *everyone's* problem, and that the few should suffer so dearly for it is a grave injustice that behooves us men -as the primary perpetrators- to admit that the way we talk about and consider women is no minor contributor to the notion that sex is something we must extract rather than share. |
Rape isn't usually about wanting sex that people aren't going to get though, it's primarily about power. I guess it might be open to interpretation but all the animal evidence and plenty of human evidence points in that direction. In a way that actually makes it easier to address though. It's a lot easier to foster more equal and less misoginistic attitudes in men than it is to make men not want sex with women they can't have.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
changing attitudes towards women should help reduce sexual violence, but that must happen on a larger cultural level which can only be implemented gradually. |
To expand on that, it's the sortof thing where a top down approach isn't necassarily going to cause much change.
The psychology of it and how to change it is pretty complicated though (not that I fully understand it either).
http://www.buzzfeed.com/candacelowry/watch-how-people-react-when-they-see-a-woman-abuse-a-man-in
For instance some people's first reactions to that video might be "meh" or "that's a bit unfair to men", but there's another perspective that it can be looked at from. That's that subconsciously the women are laughing at the men being abused because they feel like it's naturally the role of men to be dominant (and therefore women to be submissive) so the man deserves no pity. There are attitudes that could help reduce things and efforts that could be made by both men and women but I don't think it's a problem that anyone really knows all the answers to yet. Certainly though reducing misoginistic attitudes among men can have a major impact though. |
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| Swamper |
^ A big difference being that it is rare for women to dole out physical abuse against a man... it is more so probably to be verbal/emotional/psychological abuse.
As for the rape issue - I agree with the points made earlier in this thread -- it is not the fault of the victim based on how they dress/etc. *but* (this is where it gets touchy) if you knowingly put yourself in a risky situation (drinking/drugs to the point of passing out) with a guy you cannot trust then what is the point of assessing whether a situation is risky or not (if you are going to go ahead and put yourself in those circumstances anyways?) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've never met anyone with autism as incomprehensible or unpleasant as you, and I've no interest in being nice to you because you aren't nice to me or to anyone else. I wrote a long and thoughtful reply to your post. If you want to weep over some off-hand remark about your writing, the stage is yours. |
i have been very respectful at least who i see it and i can't recall treating you in the manner you describe. I've messaged you stating that this fighting is silly. I don't want to fight with you. I like you. You are smart .I enjoy your ideas. And syntax aside, what i say is has value and my writing may not be great, i don't understand your disdain. I don't see why you can't move on. We had a thing. but it was man. i don't even remember why. But it seems so petty.
you don't have to like me. But the only reason you point out the obvious is to make me feel small. It doesn't work. So why ? I don't know what you are going thru , but don't you get tired of just stupid like this ? I don't believe you get anything out of judging my writing. I don't understand. anyway. I really just makes you look bitter and angry. But i am so tired of fighting when i can't even remember why . |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i have been very respectful at least who i see it |
Okay, Mr. Julliard :stongue: |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you didn't have to use a quote seeing how what you quoted and what you said have absolutely nothing to do with each other. What makes your insult particularly ineffective well, read the first few lines. I just don't get it, If you are going to insult me, and expect me to even get a little upset, i mean that was terrible.
I think this was just a pointless and tasteless topic to bring up my ting writing. You can have a swing but for sakes, i mean put some effort. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
rape enthusiast |
:wtf: |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
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I can't decide if you're trolling or if you're just a massive, massive cunt. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've never met anyone with autism as incomprehensible or unpleasant as you, and I've no interest in being nice to you because you aren't nice to me or to anyone else. I wrote a long and thoughtful reply to your post. If you want to weep over some off-hand remark about your writing, the stage is yours. |
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I don't go out of my way to make you feel like . One upon a time, yes , we would go at each other but I am asking you to just stop with the incessant noise. What is the point.
And you still don't get it. Regardless of your conflation of a disorder, it doesn't change the fact that I have more difficulty in some areas. Writing without a plan in a linear fashion is one of them.
You established your opinion. I didn't really refute it. So just stop it. I don't care. I was more bothered by your need to be how you are in a thread that could do without your bitterness.
And yes you did. And you seem to grasp my thoughts quite well. I have never said you were not a good writer. The opposite. If I step out of line, by all means but I don't see why you do this. You are younger but old enough. I'm not weeping. I am asking you to stop, please stop saying what I know , you know , we all know. Thank you .
I just don't have the energy or time. But it is rather instinctual to reply when you are insulted. I don't enjoy having to reply to these petty things. |
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| Floorfiller |
I would be interested to see some statistics on whether or not the person is someone they know committing the rape or strangers.
I feel like I've heard that it is far more common for women to be raped by people they know, which I think would kinda put a wrench in the whole "don't put yourself in bad scenarios" arguments... |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
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Grow some ing balls. He wasn't "judging" your writing, but merely expressing an observation. To me, your writing is like free association, which makes it unbearable to read, and extremely difficult to fathom. |
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| FuzzQi |
Meanwhile there are some idiots out there redefining rape
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