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rape prevention controversy (pg. 5)
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| Psyshell |
I'm not saying that I'd automatically doubt someone's claim just that as with any crime lying is a part of the equation.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Why would you doubt someone's word that they have been sexually assaulted? |
Maybe because in some instances the person happens to be a lying sociopath who I know told their friends one thing and other people another. That'd never be my first assumption, but when I know they literally told someone I know close to them that they're doing it to get back at someone then obviously I'm going to assume that that is in fact the case.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Psyshell, you're a young, white male. The only thing keeping you from being the worst thing in the world is that fact that you're not American. |
Right, and this statement achieves what exactly? If you think that about the young white male then fine but I fail to see why I'm responsible for the average actions of whatever group you decice to lump me in with. Absolute hyperbole.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
forget about all those that do not even testify because the process is so painful and embarrassing. |
No I don't, the only way that that statement would be true is if I said that there's far less rapes than are actually reported which I didn't at all. [edit] While it might be true some people are better at discussing things than others, that comment was mean so has been withdrawn and edited out
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
These sorts of illusions are what s use to make it less real and less of an issue. |
Yes they do but that doesn't mean it simply doesn't exist. Also, how do you know it's an illusion? It's somewhat widely known that the number of rapes is vastly undereported so that makes that data very unreliable. On that note though, do you have some kind've reliable data on false convinctions of rapes? What about of instances where it's been said among peers and never touched the crimnial justice system? Maybe it's only 1% of cases but I just think it's not fringe enough to not bother mentioning.
In fact, if the following situation happened; which is where a girl tells her friends she's been raped, after further investigation by some friends it turns out she wanted a lower sex number or it's because she regretted it (I know of at least one instance of each happening) isn't that a really bad situation no matter what way you look at it? For instance, other friends who actually have been assaulted will in the future be less likely to talk to their friends because they fear they might not be taken seriously.
Lets make things crystal clear:
-If someone tells me they've been raped my first assumption is that they have been, it's usually pretty obvious as well
-If someone explicitly tells their best friend that they actually weren't and offers an explanation for why they told a few people that then I will believe what they told their best friend
-Even still I don't know the full story so until I heard it from them and personally witnessed them saying it I wouldn't really know for sure.
-Some people are incapable of thinking about complex issues without trying to make things black and white or thinking about the nuance of questionable areas |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| you are conflating 2 separate issues that have nothing to do with each other. Rape and false accusation are 2 different things. The process is pretty ing rigorous that anyone pretending and unfortunately some that aren't don't go thru with it. IT isn't a factor. Seems weird to present the 0.001% of men that were the subject of false allegations like it happens all the time. |
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| Psyshell |
Perhaps the false accusations rarely go to court. I'd like to see some statistics around it though. You don't know it's not a factor for sure. Lets just put it this way, if I hear about a situation where someone might've lied about rape I've had enough personal experience to not 100% assume that they weren't lying, especially if there's reasons to think so.
On a related note, the whole taking the perpretraters side because people are friends with them or because they seem like a nice guy thing is total bull and I'm angry that it seems to be a thing at certain colleges in the US. |
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| PivotTechno |
| What does that have to do with any of what's being posted in this thread? |
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| Jon_Snow |
| She attacked a teenager then told the police when they arrived on scene he attacked her lucky he filmed it otherwise he'd be the one facing charges. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
Perhaps the false accusations rarely go to court. I'd like to see some statistics around it though. You don't know it's not a factor for sure. |
i'm sure it happens. But given how hard it is to prove in most cases, i just think it is a non issue. if a prosecutor knows they can't convict, they won't bother making it really easy to gte away with it.
you pretty much need dna, evidence of trauma , a certain character they won't try to attack. The problem is that it is so easy to get out of.
I think that is why your notion of false rape is sure possible but just unlikely. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
She attacked a teenager then told the police when they arrived on scene he attacked her lucky he filmed it otherwise he'd be the one facing charges. |
Yes, and...? Are you somehow making a correlation between this and false rape accusations? What's your point? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| lol into the bin |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| do the victims call it rape or just the parents and legal system. |
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