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| Kylle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Muslim ideology? I doubt that 1.6 billion muslims in the word have an ideology that equates to nazism.
That is what your saying right? or are you equating the ideology of the terrorists to that of the nazis. Please clarify. |
Muslims. To be clear: a muslim believes that the Quran is the verbatim word of Allah as revealed to the prophet Mohamed and that it is the final revelation.
This means that muslims believe that their beliefs are superior to all others and that their laws and punishments must apply to all.
And yes, this reeks to me of the same "ubermnesch" idea that was at the core of Nazism.
Is a similar trend to be found in other Abrahamic religions? For sure. Thing is, most of the people who are nominally jews or christians don't actually believe anymore. There are, I am sure, a lot of "muslims" who have little if any faith, but they find themselves oppressed by the hard core, a sad state of affairs that most people in the west have gotten rid of. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kylle
Muslims. To be clear: a muslim believes that the Quran is the verbatim word of Allah as revealed to the prophet Mohamed and that it is the final revelation.
This means that muslims believe that their beliefs are superior to all others and that their laws and punishments must apply to all.
And yes, this reeks to me of the same "ubermnesch" idea that was at the core of Nazism. |
Your understanding of both Islam and Nazism leaves much to be desired. While you are correct that Islam teaches that the Quran is the verbatim word of God revealed through Mohamed it is a bit of a leap to assert that all or even most Muslims today believe that it is so. It is even more of a leap to assert that all or even most Muslims believe their beliefs to be superior to all others and their law applicable to all others. To be sure, there are some who do believe these things; however, they are certainly not all or even most.
With respect to Nazism, the idea of the Superman was not at the core of Nazism. Nazism was first and foremost a political ideology that was essentially a Germanized form of Fascism. The core beliefs of Nazism were supremacy of the state, robust social welfare, corporatist economics, and hyper nationalism. The spiritual side of Nazism (including the Superman) was a small offshoot of the whole. Of course, this side of Nazism gets played up a great deal because Hitler viewed it as useful to do so. Those that believed in the spiritual side of Nazism were fiercely loyal to the regime and to Hitler personally... these believers were the core of the SS (Himmler himself being the most staunch believer). While there is no doubt that the bulk of the Nazi brass believed that Germanic peoples were superior to all others very very few of them cared at all for the quest to breed the superman and sponsored such efforts only because they assisted in creating increased birth rates and socialized very loyal subjects. Hitler actually scoffed at Himler and his spirituality. It is also worth noting that while the Nazis considered Germanic peoples to be superior to others they did not initially seek to kill non-Germanic people; rather, they sought to exile them... the killing developed later when they realized that exile simply meant they had to recapture these people when they annexed the new territories they had been exiled to. So while the idea of the Superman did exist in Nazism it was not a core belief; Nazism was a political ideology above all, the rest of it was largely cultured as expedient tools to achieve the political goals.
| quote: | | Is a similar trend to be found in other Abrahamic religions? For sure. |
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do Christians and Jews believe their scripture to be dictated by God? No, they don't. Do they believe it to be infallible? No, they don't (bible inerrency is a very new concept, less than 200 years old and ascribed to by less than 7% of Christians). Do they believe their rules apply to everyone? No, they don't, in fact, both are quite clear that their laws only apply to them. Do they consider themselves superior to all others? Debatable, certainly they view their beliefs as the most correct; however, respect for the beliefs of others is an important aspect to both faiths and they do not believe other faiths to be outright false or wrong. |
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Well, hopefully the people that feel such emotional torment over cartoons will figure out a relatively peaceful way to water down their faith to accommodate the modern world.
If Christians (mostly) did it anybody can! |
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| Lagrangian |
you are all wrong, there is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge Portal in Iraq that could fall into the hands of extremists. They can summon the Annunaki and then you better ing run for the hills.
they be killing the chillens
they be killing da geys
they be killing da babies.
they be killing da jews. |
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| 0100306660SAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Just a point of correction... No sect of Christianity took "the book" literally (in the sense you mean) until the 19th century. More Christians take the bible literally now than at any point in history, and those that do only make up a tiny minority of Christians (approx 7%). |
still better than atheism. |
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| 0100306660SAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay
The holocaust happened because no one likes jews. |
are you sure the holocaust happened?
'the bigger the lie, and the more it is repeated, the more it will be believed. ' |
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| 0100306660SAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
I think you mean the Holocaust happened because Hitler did not like Jews. |
i think you mean the Holocaust was faked because the rich families that Hilter was trying to kill to save the world from economic slavery tried to tarnish his name by claiming "unspeakable atrocities" was done by Him onto the "jews".
Hitler was a bastard of Rothschild, and tried to kill his own father to take control of the world.
he spoke of unity, and they translated that into "one pure race".
utopia can also be describe as pure, and "one race of humanity"
so i suggest you look into the beliefs you have, and how you know little next to nothing about what is going on in the current world. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by 0100306660SAS
are you sure the holocaust happened?
'the bigger the lie, and the more it is repeated, the more it will be believed. ' |
Can I have your email for possible business ventures. |
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| 0100306660SAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Can I have your email for possible business ventures. |
go on, tell me more. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| i'm just a proxy for a guy that runs a bank in Nairobi looking for certain person fitting a certain set of criterion. This isn't like those other places. It is rife with opportunity. Some say it is the financial capital of Africa. It is legit. |
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| 0100306660SAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i'm just a proxy for a guy that runs a bank in Nairobi looking for certain person fitting a certain set of criterion. This isn't like those other places. It is rife with opportunity. Some say it is the financial capital of Africa. It is legit. |
im highly interested. but i do tend to every once in a while turn on my "bosses" without explanation.
greed is a powerful drug.
you have already said too much. |
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