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Sean Tyas - 9am (pg. 7)
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lagrangian
Im not trying to be academically pedantic, Sir. But would you reconsider labeling that genre 'Balearic' house? And yes I am particularly referring to the vintage Oakenfold/Tong Ibiza days of yore.
Great Record. Thumbs up! |
No, I don't want that many subgenres, I want less. And Balearic Bill – Destination Sunshine (1995) wants to have Balearic Trance than :)
Combining genres would be better Trance House :) ,but that would need time travelling.
But yes, you could easily call it another sub genre as they clearly have a different sound compared to the early progressive ones and Balearic would fit well. |
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| pointPi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scoops
there is nothing trance about this Sean Tyas track.... |
Yup, to me, 9AM is something I'd classify as dark techno. Or at least, a trance producer's conception of dark techno. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Not working DJ, but maybe my age is enough..
I have to agree with Jay.
IMO it's synths and feeling over bpm: 1993 DEGENERATION - Una Musica Senza Ritmo (Nina In Trance Mix)
Alex H makes music labeled as progressive house, but to me and some older trancefans I know (like DJ Jerom here at TA) it sounds more like trance.
The old Gat Decor - Passion IMO also easily could have been labeled as trance although it's slow. It just feels so damn trancy. |
but when the track is so minimal that you can't really define the genre , bpm does make a difference ie this track. The only reason i mentioned it was that j could not understand why i would compare it to a track that he considred tech house because you can't possibly compare trance and house even tho 95 % of the time, they are the same ing thing lately.
I could post a house track that nobody would consider anything but house and add one element and it is now a trance track. That is how irrelevant genres and their use can be in the hands of people that don't the actual way music works and have critics lexicon rather than a musicians vocabulary to describe their experience.
I never took an all or nothing approach unlike system j who seems to cherry pick what ever suites him to be an at any given time. I never stated what era of house, or that all house was near 126. The point was that the track was clearly in a different bracket and given the lack of arkers that would make something conspicuously trance and only trance, i found it pretty ing lame that he seems to have an issue that i compared it to a track that was tech house god forbid.
the question i asked was if bpm mattered. But you bent it to imply something that i never said. All to address your myopic idiocy that you can't compare a tech house tracl to a track that isn't trance yet you think it is all because you are some ing know it all dj who doesn't actually dj. |
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| JonDC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
but when the track is so minimal that you can't really define the genre , bpm does make a difference ie this track. The only reason i mentioned it was that j could not understand why i would compare it to a track that he considred tech house because you can't possibly compare trance and house even tho 95 % of the time, they are the same ing thing lately.
I could post a house track that nobody would consider anything but house and add one element and it is now a trance track. That is how irrelevant genres and their use can be in the hands of people that don't the actual way music works and have critics lexicon rather than a musicians vocabulary to describe their experience.
I never took an all or nothing approach unlike system j who seems to cherry pick what ever suites him to be an at any given time. I never stated what era of house, or that all house was near 126. The point was that the track was clearly in a different bracket and given the lack of arkers that would make something conspicuously trance and only trance, i found it pretty ing lame that he seems to have an issue that i compared it to a track that was tech house god forbid.
the question i asked was if bpm mattered. But you bent it to imply something that i never said. All to address your myopic idiocy that you can't compare a tech house tracl to a track that isn't trance yet you think it is all because you are some ing know it all dj who doesn't actually dj. |
For me the point here is isn't the fact that it's a lot faster than most house records these days; its more that you said that the BPM rules it out from being a trance record when it has a BPM that is actually very common in trance.
Yes BPM does define some genres, but trance can be anywhere from around 120 - 150 |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
95 % of the time, they are the same ing thing lately. |
You have just amply demonstrated that you don't have the slightest ing clue what's going on with either genre lately, so you should probably take this opportunity to shove a slice of humble pie in your mouth and exit stage left, sharpish. |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
but when the track is so minimal that you can't really define the genre , bpm does make a difference ie this track. The only reason i mentioned it was that j could not understand why i would compare it to a track that he considred tech house because you can't possibly compare trance and house even tho 95 % of the time, they are the same ing thing lately. |
I would say trance also is a feeling. Some old progressive house tracks feel much more trancy than trance versions of the same tracks. In all examples given IMO the bpm doesn't make a lot of difference.
In the mid 90's tracks like NBG - Univeral Love or Forerunner and Trancesetters - The Search appeared at Trance compilations, all not labelled as trance, no-one complaining.
| quote: | | I could post a house track that nobody would consider anything but house and add one element and it is now a trance track. That is how irrelevant genres and their use can be in the hands of people that don't the actual way music works and have critics lexicon rather than a musicians vocabulary to describe their experience. |
Yes you could, that's why I think trance also is a feeling, or like I see it synthesizer tracks with a disco beat. I don't like your example as it totally destoys that feeling, just like many of todays so called trance tracks do with those annoying sounds. You can make a house track very trancy, but you can also destroy a prefect trance track by adding some sounds.
Regarding that last sentence, I don't know what you mean, just that music isn't science and a DJ isn't a musician.
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I never took an all or nothing approach unlike system j who seems to cherry pick what ever suites him to be an at any given time. I never stated what era of house, or that all house was near 126. The point was that the track was clearly in a different bracket and given the lack of arkers that would make something conspicuously trance and only trance, i found it pretty ing lame that he seems to have an issue that i compared it to a track that was tech house god forbid. |
I only got the impression that Jack (not Jay) couldn't see why you thought it could be compared to that track. And on that I have to agree. But hey, everybody listens differently. I'm on Jack's blacklist so I have been there.
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the question i asked was if bpm mattered. But you bent it to imply something that i never said. All to address your myopic idiocy that you can't compare a tech house tracl to a track that isn't trance yet you think it is all because you are some ing know it all dj who doesn't actually dj. |
Well, sorry if I did, but you did give me the impression that you thought bpm matters.
There is no need to start acting like Jack, one here is enough, or did I miss the part that I became rude? |
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| TranceElevation |
| Country music makes me fall in trance, so it must be trance. |
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| Innocence Lost |
| This track sucks, lol. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by rdevito
track.
I still can't believe that a Sean Tyas tune got me into Trance. If I can evolve, why this mother****** can't? |
I find this wonderfully ironic.
OT: Trance-MB are you calling SYSTEM-J "Jay" as your own nickname for him or are you confusing him (Jack) with our Nazi Overlord Jay? |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
OT: Trance-MB are you calling SYSTEM-J "Jay" as your own nickname for him or are you confusing him (Jack) with our Nazi Overlord Jay? |
O, yeah, thanks for the wake up, your right, it's Jack. No, wasn't because of the overlord. Already had a feeling something was wrong... I blame my age :) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You have just amply demonstrated that you don't have the slightest ing clue what's going on with either genre lately, so you should probably take this opportunity to shove a slice of humble pie in your mouth and exit stage left, sharpish. |
pretty sure you are the one that doesn't really know what is being sold in what quantity and how it is labelled as house yet given the melodic content is trance or euro dance to the ing letter.
Be ing specific if you are going to attack me. You never quantify anything you say.
What is being sold as progressive house was for a few years some sort of electro eurodance trance mashup and now is this horrible hard style derivative.
THese aren't my definitions or whati consider to be what is good or current. The stuff being sold for the most part is labelled house but could substiute for trance in a set. The terms really don't say much unlike they did at the turn of the millenia.
Where we differ is that you cannnot see the forest. You lack the skills to actually notice that hey, the only difference between most of these things are well, pretty ing small.
This started by you claming the merits of the track was that it was driving. I disgreed and mentioned why and gave an example of something that ould be considered driving. And then you had to just be a ing like always. I can break the ing track down and explain exactly why it is and why the one you posted isn't but i doubt you give a or would even be able to hear the subtleties. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| Is this seriously a fight about genre definitions? |
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