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PulseRadio: Dance Music has an elitist problem.
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| Donnie Gryphon |
Great article from Pulse here. I completely agree with what is written. I'm guilty of being this way as well but have made a conscious effort to change. Thoughts?
| quote: | | This week, Paris Hilton showed up to Circoloco at DC-10, and the reaction was predictably irate. �Sorry but can someone shut her up. She wouldn't know a good mix from a bad one if it smacked her in the face� one Mixmag Facebook commenter wrote. |
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| bdr222 |
| I wish my job didn't block every damn site. Will read this later but I think I've been guilty of the same stuff. |
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| OrangestO |
As I told Chris last night, there are plenty of other examples they could have used to express this point other than Paris ing Hilton.
By writing this, you've already caved in to what her brand works for: publicity.
She's the easy target, though, so I call it lazy writing and research on the writer's part. Or sheer cowardliness for not calling out, let's say, some of the Berliners who look and play the part (for better or for worse, well, that's what should be written about and debated). As I like to say, shut the up and dance.
The scene gets so wrapped up itself sometimes people forget about what we're here for: the music. |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
As I told Chris last night, there are plenty of other examples they could have used to express this point other than Paris ing Hilton.
By writing this, you've already caved in to what her brand works for: publicity.
She's the easy target, though, so I call it lazy writing and research on the writer's part. Or sheer cowardliness for not calling out, let's say, some of the Berliners who look and play the part (for better or for worse, well, that's what should be written about and debated). As I like to say, shut the up and dance.
The scene gets so wrapped up itself sometimes people forget about what we're here for: the music. |
They used her as the example because people were commenting and bitching on the Circoloco facebook the minute she walked in the door. Like you really needed to go out of your way to complain about someone that isnt bothering you on Social media.
I've made a conscious effort to stop doing this as well. |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
everyone seems to focus just on Paris in this article and misses the overall point of it.
Why is the underground scene going out of their way to bitch and complain about people coming in to it that are new? |
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| OrangestO |
Like I said, everyone needs to shut the up and dance.
EDIT: Also, the more I hear about Ibiza these days, the less I give a about visiting. |
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| BPM_PHL |
I can understand both sides.
There is a faction of people who are sick of the really poor quality pop culture that is shoved down throats by the media. The Kardashians, selfie culture, basically most things that end up on the billbaord top 100 to be honest. The "elitist" crowd are usually the most passionate and maybe are just trying to latch on to something slightly more "intellectual" or just better quality art. Paris is seen as part of pop culture watering down. While its unfair to call her out just for being at a party as a punter she did use her reality celeb/sex tape fame to force her way into the industry and spotlight, and with a residency at Amensia one of most storied and respected clubs there is. So I get the angst against her although its misplaced by the FB posts.
On the other hand I totally get the people who just see dance music as a fun way to party and blow off steam from work or whatever other stress and understand why they feel distanced from people who take the whole thing so damn seriously. |
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| jdub889 |
dance music is not the only genre of music with elitist fans, nor is music the only type of art with an elitist audience. article may as well have read: "this just in--some people are s and think they have better taste than other people."
edit: not a shot at donnie, i totally agree that people should be less snobbish, and i have no idea why anyone gave two s that paris hilton was in the booth at circoloco (although anyone notice that she was waving an amnesia fan while she was there? wonder if they paid her to go over there...) |
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| BPM_PHL |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdub889
dance music is not the only genre of music with elitist fans, nor is music the only type of art with an elitist audience. article may as well have read: "this just in--some people are s and think they have better taste than other people." |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
this is what gets me we have a whole scene of people trying to exclude a group of people that don't fit.
Maybe I understood the history wrong but I could of damn well sworn that dance music was for everyone no matter what your race, age, sexual preference, social standing etc. Imagine if the warehouse said no to people, if DT said no drag queens at Tunnel, imagine Larry Levan not allowing white people at the garage or imagine the the clubs not letting in the Club Kids in NYC.
This is a scene where everyone has a place and the underground is quickly shutting that door to outsiders. She isn't the first celebrity to ever visit a dance music institution and she won't be the last.
To the point of her coming in a using her sex tape to get into Amnesia. How are people going to blame her for that? Amnesia signed the contract, Amnesia approached her, Amnesia paid her the 6 figures per gig, Amnesia collected the massive profits. So please explain to me how this is Paris fault? Amnesia could've done just like the island did to the Ibiza Shore from MTV and not allow it on the island but they didn't, they choose to reap the benefits of that party and obviously there were masses of people who paid to be at that party.
Everyone also forgets those were the couple years Ibiza went way more commercial (i was there and saw it everywhere) from the Calvin Harris, Diplo, Skrillex Guetta, etc all the edm names were dominating the venues on majority of nights. |
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| OrangestO |
Berghain says no to people all the time.
I hated that policy at first, but I totally get it now. |
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| Donnie Gryphon |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdub889
dance music is not the only genre of music with elitist fans, nor is music the only type of art with an elitist audience. article may as well have read: "this just in--some people are s and think they have better taste than other people."
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No but dance music is the only genre that has preached about inclusion |
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