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holy crap, nostalgia overload (pg. 6)
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| Silky Johnson |
| I wonder if anyone, 10 years ago, could have predicted who the active users would be now? :wtf::gsmile: |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
What relevance do teenagers have to whether it will outlast TA?
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Only the simple fact that I was listing social platforms, sites and programs, that we as young dance music enthusiasts, DJ, Producers, Clubbers (etc) all used that have come, gone and faded, while TA still is still around in it's virtually unchanged form. That's the entire ing point of the sentence.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Most of the people still posting here are in their 30s, so it's somewhat counter-productive to declare Facebook dead on the same criteria.
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That's not the claim, it's purely for dance music or young people, facebook is in serious decline as every single sta from 2012 onwards has shown. While facebook has continued to expand beyond a group of social network and tech savvy people, to basically anyone with internet access, the demographic specifically relating to dance music is in serious decline. That's how I framed it from the outset and that's all my point is.
As said, they bought Instagram because they knew they couldn't compete in the visual post market as that's what younger generations want, not wall of text posts (Instagram has now taken over as the "image based platform" for under teens all the way to under 35's). It's no mistake that FB tried to buy snapchat for 4.5 times the valuation because they already had the analytics of where the young data packets were going.
Slingshot (FB's disastrous snapchat clone) died a quick and painful death so they they announced the "quick update feature" which hasn't exactly caught on fire or done anything to reverse the atrition of younger users.
Speak to anyone in digital marketing about how to target the under 35 market and FB is not even second place anymore.
Sure there's a few old farts amongst us that go clubbing outside that or are fanatical about dance music in an older age group but really, the base is young people.
So I have no idea why Lews keeps posting up tangential nonsense "but, but I love facebook and it's the biggest network and more people are signing up every day!"
Again, I say it so your simple mind can comprehend: Facebook for young people is in decline and a fair assessment is "dying". Every stat shows it for that demographic and go back and read my post that started this: It's about our generation as it relates to dance music and the sites and platforms we used. Not whether facebook is gaining 400m users a year: in the 50+ market for s sake. :rolleyes:
And just to hammer it home, here's the most recent analyticals release from search engine watch:
| quote: | Snapchat got popular for its impressive appeal to the younger audience, starting as a fun and instant form of communication among teenagers. Although it has evolved since then, it is still attractive for the audience aged 13-24, as it forms 60% of its audience.
What’s more, Snapchat announced that it reaches 41% of all 18 to 34 year olds in the United States on any given day.
Facebook may be the most popular social network, but it seems to lose its appeal to the younger audience, and this is mostly attributed to the significant rise of the older generations.
There has been a 46% growth of new Facebook profiles from 2012 to 2015 for the ages of 45-54, while a decline of 25% has been noted at the same period for the new Facebook profiles of people aged 13-17 in US.
Teenagers and young adults start facing a new reality when more family members join Facebook, which means they gradually lose their interest and head to new platforms to freely express themselves. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Yeah, and TA is dead for young people. It's only existing veterans hanging on for old time's sake. If there were some influx of teenagers signing up and posting you might have some semblance of a point. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, and TA is dead for young people. It's only existing veterans hanging on for old time's sake. If there were some influx of teenagers signing up and posting you might have some semblance of a point. |
....and certainly you'd have a point if I ever made the connection between TA and young people or there was some influx of young people signing up.....
......But I didn't, and that's the problem; they're not mutually exclusive. All I said was that TA has remained relatively unchanged as a platform while many others FB included have changed and are waning for our niche demographic/interest.
For some reason, Lews keeps posting about how facebook is growing amongst the over 50's as some bizarre form of tangential validation against the fact that facebook is losing both it's relevance and user base, relating to other platforms (past and present) used predominantly by younger people in to dance music.
This is further reinforced by the fact that when we say "veterans" on TA, we're actually talking about people in mid-30's - That's still FB's younger demographic metrics lol |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
For some reason, Lews keeps posting about how facebook is growing amongst the over 50's as some bizarre form of tangential validation against the fact that facebook is losing both it's relevance and user base, relating to other platforms (past and present) used predominantly by younger people in to dance music. |
Because you said that Facebook is dead/dying, which is clearly not a true statement, you god damn -wit. Type more specifically: if you want to say that Facebook is no longer popular with teenagers, say that - don't say it is dead/dying, for 's sake. You can't just abuse language like that. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| When did you become so uppity, Lews? Goddamn. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
All I said was that TA has remained relatively unchanged as a platform while many others FB included have changed and are waning for our niche demographic/interest. |
No, you said Facebook was "dead/dying". You were comprehensively proven wrong, so you switched to saying it's unpopular amongst teenagers. This has no real bearing on the fact that Facebook will comfortably outlive TA. Scrabbling to save face, you then tried to draw some over-reaching parallel between teenagers liking dance music, teenagers not using Facebook, and TA's continued existence. Your point is a complete mess.
We all get your original statement. TA has lasted a long ing time and managed to outlive various enormously popular online platforms with big money behind them. That is remarkable, but the truth is that TA's user-base is now so depleted from its glory days it is the forum equivalent of MySpace, haunted by a few lingering ghosts. More pertinently, Facebook was just a bridge too far for your point. Facebook's apex of youth relevance may have passed, but you can't include it on your list under the same criteria as other fallen giants, as your ham-fisted convolutions have shown.
Some minor observations:
1. Facebook is actually an excellent resource for discovering parties. There are promoters who exclusively use Facebook. In fact, there are illegal rave collectives in the UK who arrange their events purely through private FB groups. I know, I've attended such events. The main reason I stay active on FB is to find out about upcoming parties.
2. The majority of ex-TAs now stay in touch through Facebook; Bas, Clovis, Jay, Matt Acton et al. Facebook will the after-life of TA, ironically enough.
3. You know you've lost. Just execute your face-saving exit strategy and depart the thread, s'il vous plait. |
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| AnotherWay83 |
| Lol...I remember you! Weren't you with that chic Ur Dream Girl or somethin? |
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| AnotherWay83 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laughingfennec
Motorcycle-As the rush comes Avb remix |
Heh. Yeah, lots of memories associated with that track and that era... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnotherWay83
Lol...I remember you! Weren't you with that chic Ur Dream Girl or somethin? |
That's ABT Sportsline, if I recall correctly.
Wait, you've been here for that long!? I only know Ur Dream Girl because she's Brazilian and she beat me to being the first regular user from my neck of woods and sent her a PM once, but that's, like, aeons ago! |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J & Lews
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I've rarely seen such a pathetic and concerted effort to dig yourselves out of a hole argument - you're literally focussing on two words and desperately trying to ignore the rest of that post and it's intrinsic framing because it doesn't fit your fictional little narrative but it's too late for you to swallow the pride.
Just in case you still don't get it, here it is:
| quote: | This is true but I was always very aware that we were not the first generation for this music; I "grew up" clubbing in the late 90's and what got me in to it was stealing tapes from my older brother in law who had recorded "old" essential selections or got tapes from raves (well they were old to me as they were probably 2/3 years old by the time I got them).
I was essentially listing to music from 92-95 and it had already changed so much (albeit at a slower place than today) by 1997 - Epic house was over, and the dutch trance sound was in full swing, and by 2001....well, we all know how that went.
Getting sets was fairly difficult but getting great tracks wasn't if you lived in a city - I was spoiled for choice in london - my main constraint was money. I couldn't afford that many 5 or 6 quid vinyls at that age but the quality and amount was just abundant. I remember not going to the stores for about 3 weeks and when i went in they had a pile of over 300 tracks for me to go through and I could only afford maybe 10.
It's kinda amazing that TA has weathered the changing climate all these years. When i think of where I was when i signed up (Toronto, in school learning Audio Engineering and producing) which today is a whole career I've done, seen through and since left behind and gone on to other things - it seems bizarre that this place is still here. Think about all the buzz sites and programs that have come and gone; myspace, napster, soulseek, emule, aim, morpheus, facebook (yes, it's dead/dying)....but TA is still going. |
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As you seem to not be able to do basic reading comprehension, the exact context of this post is about sites that we as TA users, specifically as young people in to dance music, have see used and gone on from in terms of popularity/use, while TA has basically remained untouched in 15 years.
You've then got theowner of this site, the very site that the entire context is framed around, agreeing with me.... but no, you're going to insist, against all the data, al the stats, that facebook is where it's at as a platform for our industry and interests?
, i even start the paragraph stating my own timeline then went on to explain that TA weathered all the changes and that us TA's left or are leaving so many of those platforms behind INCLUDING FACEBOOK, AS SAID FROM THE OUTSET......because whether you like it or not, facebook is losing serious ground to anyone in the age group that would still consider listening to trance and not be embarrassed.
So before you embarrass yourself further, I'd suggest rather than googling how to spell in French, you read the paragraph again and actually understand what I was getting at, which hasn't wavered. Us young people are leaving facebook in numbers that scare the out of facebook.
oh and as a side note, one of my friends in London is probably one of the most successful digital promoters of underground events. That his full time job. He posts on every platform and even still TA fro local events. He put facebook on the backburner a little over six months ago, just sharing content on it from other platforms as a third pit stop, because guess what? The crowd left that dancefloor.
Mark my words, you're going to see facebook become rapidly obsolete for clubbers, DJ's and producers, except to keep in touch with grandma back home. "Merci" :p |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Jesus Christ I've never seen someone suffer from a more acute case of Cognitive Dissonance. You're obviously are too insecure to admit your wrong so just drop it ok. |
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