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Vegas turns up nose at superstar DJs (pg. 5)
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| AlphaStarred |
Well, as I said, it's come down to pointing out each other's foibles, rather than sticking to the topic at hand. The bottom line is, we all have character faults - it doesn't make you necessarily better or worse.
Some people - like yourself - may make a fuss about the thing me and Alex agreed are petty, and some (IGK, Alex, etc.) don't. That's as simple as that.
I really, really can't stand seeing you misplace quotation marks, anymore, either! |
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| AlphaStarred |
| Gr8 m8 I r8 8/8. See, you are a militant one, ain't ya? |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If Alex wants to distance himself from IGK I'm sure he's capable of doing it himself. All I know is he quoted the guy saying "You just come off as an arrogant self important ass" and then said "I agree", before going on to characterise my attitude as "militant".
I really, really can't be bothered defining what constitutes "arguing", either. |
Oh, yeah, I have sort of always just quoted entire posts, lazy about that.
The militant comment was from seeing you deconstruct entire posts by guys in the music discussion section and get into arguments about little things, then insult them, as well as other views you've expressed in this thread.
Not a judgement, an observation. Of course it's nearly impossible to convey a tone of voice in writing. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
The militant comment was from seeing you deconstruct entire posts by guys in the music discussion section and get into arguments about little things, then insult them, as well as other views you've expressed in this thread.
Not a judgement, an observation. Of course it's nearly impossible to convey a tone of voice in writing. |
That's precisely what I pointed out to him. Your point was clear to me, not sure why the confusion on System-J's part. |
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| Jon_Snow |
STOP CENSORING JACK!
I want to give a shout out to my friends -_RichardVet_-_rubyai60_-_sergioir1_-_albertarw69_-_oapedfab_-_aapedwex_-_Sergeytulk_-_marciete11) +27 guests
Promise me you never sell out or I'll buy two of those |
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| Alex |
| My shoes are worth more than System-Js car. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well, you did say:
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Should have qualified it further by saying "in a similar genre". At that time, and now, trance and techno were and are very different beasts so again, it's silly to compare Mills to Tiesto. Tiesto to any of his peers, yes - I stand by that completely.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As far as I'm aware, Tiesto wasn't doing anything radically different in 1998-1999 to what he was doing in 2000-2002. Certainly all his tracklists, mix CDs and live sets look like exactly the same kind of commercial supermarket trance right through that spell.
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Well a single year span comparison isn't really enough time to do anything radically different (i.e. 1999 to 2000) but firstly he was already starting to sell out by 1999 and as I said earlier, by 2000 he'd hired ghost producers and started making that big room stadium trance sound that he personified in the 2000's.
Again, I think your experience of trance at that period was limited to what was on the supermarket shelf because in 1995 when tiesto was making his name, you were still in primary school. Don't take that as a personal slight - it's not - it's just you can't really comment on a club scene that you have zero first hand experience, in the same way I won't try to tell people what the paradise garage was like in the early 80's. I've read a load about it but that's only a fragment of the story intwined with other people's narrative (who probably weren't there themeslves either).
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
From everything I've read, heard and listened to from that era, my impression is firmly that trance fans were convinced they were the centre of clubbing cool in that era, but every other scene was face-palming hard. An enduring affliction of trance fans, it seems. |
I think this is just bitterness and ignorance - If you had read any one of the 1000's of the threads on TA discussing trance of that era, you'll see so many people telling stories of how much ing fun that period was, and just as many people wishing they were part of it that didn't get to experience that music in clubs.
Epic House, House and Trance WERE the scene then, and all the others couldn't keep up (or keep their door open) so trying to say every other scene was facepalming is just pure fallacy. I had mates who were die hard Techno fans (Dave Clarke, Green Velvet etc) and they'd still come out clubbing with us because of the sheer energy and fun of it.
One thing I don't think you realize what that the crowd was older - it wasn't really 16 yr old candy ravers that made up the majority of clubs. I was under 18 and by far the youngest in nearly all the clubs I went to, even the underground unlicensed raves that didn't give a - if it hadn't been for my talent of creating great fake ID's and not bottling it in front of bouncers, I doubt I would have got in to any of them. , a lot of trance/house clubs were 21+.
That's in stark contrast to what came later which was underscored by the sudden demise of the scene across Europe, something which is has been well documented and universally lamented by anyone that was in to trance through the 90's and 2000's. The music changed vastly from the late 90's to the early-mid 2000's and I'd argue it led to the ing awful tripe we have now.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
To get away from the meta-critic debate, as much fun as I find that, I actually would consider it fair to say that Tiesto was relatively 'underground' (in a sense) 1995-1998. I'm a big fan of the Guardian Angel mix comps he put out in those years - the programming is rather poor, but the track selection is quite good. There's a lot of stuff on those mixes that you'd be hard pressed to find on other mix comps. I believe this was the time he was working in a record store, before he had many (any?) international residencies. It's really around 97/98 when he left Basic Beat and started up Black Hole that his work starts to become much more commercial/popular, according to my reading of events.
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Spot on. Again, I'll say it one more time - I'm not tiesto fan, never was, but there's no point trying to rewrite his place in the scene retrospectively because of what he is now. In the mid 90's when he was killing the circuit, he really was a decent DJ, breaking a lot of new trance in multiple big and respected residencies and it was toward the end of that decade that things started to change for him direction wise. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
My shoes are worth more than System-Js car. |
lol
My tobacco is worth more than his car. I don't know J, how you gonna rebut that?
[[[smoke]]] |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I was referring to 98-02, RANN. As Lews said, everything from the start of Black Hole onwards is much of a muchness. So if you're saying that Tiesto "sold out" in 1998 then that's pretty much what Woony pointed out - he was playing commercial trance from practically the moment he had an international profile which was over 10 years ahead of EDM. And comparing his rep to other figures in the same scene doesn't really dispel that notion. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
interesting read of history for a noob, especially from woony, RANN and system-grumpy.
as for my ignorant opinion, i don't really care about "selling out", simply coz i just replace any artist with someone new (and really, i bet 90% of the posters here would describe my tastes as "cheesy as " anyway).
since metallica - st anger was the biggest single factor (after adagio for strings of course) in sending me here to meet all of you cunts, i think there's something positive to be said about music ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
The militant comment was from seeing you deconstruct entire posts by guys in the music discussion section and get into arguments about little things, then insult them |
yeah, but how good is he at it! gotta respect that. |
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