As for PVD, I was never a huge fan because I felt much of his work sounded too similar. Same drums, same synths, same progressions on nearly every song on some albums. For An Angel 98 and his remix of Born Slippy remain some of my top tracks though and he's done some very nice stuff when he breaks out of the formulaic sound.
SYSTEM-J
I think the inverse of this thread would be quite amusing. There's quite a few of today's techno fashionistas who have skeletons in their closet. For example, melodic techno man of the moment Stephan Bodzin used to be part of German cheese-merchants Kaycee.
enydo
Start that dang thread up.
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by enydo
Start that dang thread up.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think the inverse of this thread would be quite amusing. There's quite a few of today's techno fashionistas who have skeletons in their closet. For example, melodic techno man of the moment Stephan Bodzin used to be part of German cheese-merchants Kaycee.
Cheese??
Far cry from Lasgo, Astroline, Milk Inc, Absolom and the like...perhaps you and I have different definitions of cheese... Kaycee are great to me, some very good remixes came from that project, though I think they stopped it at the right time, songs were beginning to sound too much alike.
rubez
the thing is, artists shouldn't be regressing like they are doing here. of course that's easier said than done coming from the idealist point of view of a fan.
it's not much of a surprise though that most artists started out wet behind the ears and dealt in the most accessible form of this music i.e. cheese, before maturing and graduating onto a more complex sound... everyone here got hooked on trance that is questionable or embarrassing today for instance.
is the trajectory of a someone who can't make a living on respectable and credible music - the music they want to be doing - to get skilled and experienced at their craft, only to take a nose dive into producing cheddar for a pay day?
BT nose dived worse than PVD. PVD always dealt in cheese on some level, and pretty bad cheese. especially with his sets. seven ways was his creative peak. someone mentioned the greatness of britain - a personal favourite. also got to mention forbidden fruit!
BT has taken to kickstarter and even to remaking his classics. a weird (and sad) dynamic of tapping into the credibility and legendary status of some of his tracks - and bastardising them for the EDM crowd.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by kosmotika
Far cry from Lasgo, Astroline, Milk Inc, Absolom and the like...perhaps you and I have different definitions of cheese... Kaycee are great to me, some very good remixes came from that project, though I think they stopped it at the right time, songs were beginning to sound too much alike.
To most of his current fans, there is absolutely no difference between Kaycee and Lasgo. You'd get laughed out of the building for splitting such minute hairs on the spectrum of Euro-cheddar. Furthermore, Bodzin has straight up said he's "ashamed" by the music he made then: https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/834
AlphaStarred
The likes of Adam X, the DJ.Ungle Fever crew, Freddy Fresh, Woody Mcbride, Biochip C. have all moved on from their hard acid techno warehouse stompers to making either tech-house, house, or frenchcore, with the exception of ADMX. Although I think his older output is far better, personally.
Someone's either gotta pay the bills or have gotten real tired of their former sound. Acid Kirk is still doing some tracks every now and then, although he told me he's tired of the acid and techno sound. He's doing more of his ambient/experimental stuff, however, rather than jumping on today's bandwagons as many others have done.
Uwe Schmidt has recently put something out, which, although I wouldn't necessarily call a cheesefest, isn't something that is comparable to his early 90's output, either.
2techs
I'll put up PVD's run in 1997 against anybody. he was that good that year albeit whoever was helping him write his tracks.
kosmotika
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To most of his current fans, there is absolutely no difference between Kaycee and Lasgo. You'd get laughed out of the building for splitting such minute hairs on the spectrum of Euro-cheddar. Furthermore, Bodzin has straight up said he's "ashamed" by the music he made then: https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/834
Perhaps to his current fans I suppose...I assume people into his current music are not typically huge trance listeners. It would be like trying to get me to explain the differences between jungle and dnb when I've barely had exposure to either...so it likely all sounds like "cheesy uhn-tiss uhn-tiss video game music" to them I'd imagine.
Bodzin's taste has changed, just like many other DJs who produced trance 20-30 years ago. I think it's weak to discount one's own work simply because it's not a similar genre to what they happen to be making at the moment. I started off making really ty darkwave before going into a more experimental eurodance route and finally winding up into trance and have experimented with ambient, dubstep, uplifting and more since then. These things happen but I am not ashamed of anything I've done. In this moment it's become the cool thing for older-aged listeners of electronic music to on trance. I think it's a sort of aging process ("You crazy kids and your fast loud music"); hence why the older people on tranceaddict prefer slower paced, less melodic, "dark" music which really on the vast electronic music spectrum seems quite calm in comparison to many genres, trance moreso than most others. From my perspective as someone who hasn't hit that middle aged peak yet, the stuff like what Bodzin is pumping out now is the modern equivalent of old folk's music...it fits all the requirements for it at least. It's slower paced, it's very minimalistic, it's fairly quiet, the drums and percussions don't have much pump or sharpness to them; the kicks and hats are often soft, it's heavy on short repetitions as to make it easy to follow and predict, low on drawn out melodies. It's some of the most non threatening, non jarring music you'll hear. It's music you can put on your headphones and fall asleep to. It's more or less electronic easy listening. In fact, I've been listening to his album 'Powers Of Ten' while writing this post and it's incredibly soothing. This is not a criticism, only an observation. Music like this has its place, but that place is not a dance club. However, that is the place for some of Kaycee's tracks and that's what the majority of nightclub DJs who play anything Bodzin's touched will play.
For me, I can appreciate his new material and see the appeal to a certain demographic but I will continue enjoying his trance work...
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by kosmotika
Music like this has its place, but that place is not a dance club. However, that is the place for some of Kaycee's tracks and that's what the majority of nightclub DJs who play anything Bodzin's touched will play.
You continue to try and validate your taste in cheesy, outdated trance music by insisting that it is premier club music and is superior to everything else out there. Your spectacular ignorance to what people are actually listening to in the worldwide club scene continues to be a source of amusement. In reality, Bodzin is getting booked all over the world every weekend at the moment and playing to a diverse demographics of international clubbers of all ages. Who the is playing Kaycee tracks in 2016?
Your position is bizarre because you're neither in touch with current "cool" dance music nor do you follow current populist cheese. In other words, you can't even play the genuine "this is what the kids are listening to" populist card, because even America's EDM hordes don't like the same music as you. You're left to assume the arrogant lecturing tone of the isolated, indoor geek who's convinced of his own superiority of taste in the face of total apathy from the wider world. TA represents that closest thing you've got to a captive (but not captivated) audience.
