Not even sure if he warrants a spot on this list. I need some confirmation , but im pretty sure he doesnt even produce dance records anymore. Cant really comment as to whether his recent output is good relative to whatever genre it is called ( some type of rock blend) , but it certainly isnt dance music. Such a shame too, because his work with Everything But the Girl and while solo was stellar
Lews
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Originally posted by kosmotika
I know exactly what your type is. The kind that swears by BT, Sasha, Digweed and the like. The same little handful of producers that make the exact same style of music. I'd be surprised to find anything from labels like Suck Me Plasma, ZYX, Go For It, Wash, Unsubmissive, etc in your collections. This is the difference between someone like myself and someone like you and System-J. I will listen to many different styles...acid, pizzi, balearic, dream, hard, goa, whatever from any year through 90-01 and I will find enjoyment in them. You and System-J think that electronic music must take itself incredibly seriously, that it must all be "dark" and intellectual.
Trance is ultimately the pop music of the electronic dance music world, and it has always been like that. Even when it was in its more primal stages where the stage was being set by artists like Dance 2 Trance and Art Of Trance. It's unashamedly simplistic, catchy, fun dance music and that's all there has ever been to it.
Yourself and System-J seem to hate absolutely anything that doesn't sound like the modern Platipus/J00F style. Your tastes are very defined. Like I said before, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just what it is. That doesn't make you hipsters, but thinking that everything that isn't exactly in that style of music you listen to is cheesy stupid and anyone that listens to it is an uninformed idiot does.
I'm sorry, I'm confused - are you an exclusive elitist who likes real underground music, unlike those of us who only like the obvious stuff; or are you a simple lover of cheerful little pop tunes, which us pretentious hipsters can't appreciate because we're too serious?
rubez
wouldn't be so bad if the derailers could actually post a decent OT example.
pkcRAISTLIN
i'll take 'simple lover of cheerful little pop tunes' for $400, thanks alex.
kosmotika
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Originally posted by Lews
I'm sorry, I'm confused - are you an exclusive elitist who likes real underground music, unlike those of us who only like the obvious stuff; or are you a simple lover of cheerful little pop tunes, which us pretentious hipsters can't appreciate because we're too serious?
Elitist in the sense that I can't stand more than maybe 5% of anything that's come out since 2001, abhor modern production techniques, everything about it is poor template built e music using cheap romplers pumped out a mile a minute by folks who couldn't master a track to save their lives. Everything sounds some combination of harsh, brickwalled or weak. I've found very few songs produced in the last 15 or so years that I haven't felt were musically lazy and/or overproduced.
Swimming among the sea of pseudo-intellectual 'progressive' tryhards, kiddie big room house youtube intro music fanatics and soft estrogen packed men who listen to sappy uplifting crap where every track is completely indistinguishable from the next (and this goes for those other 2 archetypes as well) in today's world of electronic music as someone who listens to purely traditional trance music is truly a chore. I've just pissed off a good 90% of the 10 active posters here I'm sure.:D
Now you're thinking "But I thought everyone is playing oldschool trance according to you", which is something I've never claimed. I only claimed that your average DJ that doesn't care about the sound of the underground is going to play Kaycee over current Bodzin. That's how it's been throughout the course of all history and that's how it is in this moment. Kaycee got support from huge name DJs like Armin and Tiesto back in the day...were those guys playing the underground techno of the time? Of course not. Why would it be any different now? Your typical DJ is playing flavor of the month genres, top 40 or proven dancefloor classics and underground music such as Bodzin's will remain underground.
Calling myself an elitist is a bit tongue in cheek anyways, poking fun at myself...of course, to someone such as yourself as System-J, who takes themselves incredibly seriously and seems to think they're a new age philosopher because of the 'alternative' music they listen to, this kind of comment is completely lost to you. The difference is that I can say my music is simplistic, it's stupid in some ways and I love it anyways. You and System-J constantly need to prove something with what you listen to. You care more about your image than the music you pretend to like.
Also, trance doesn't need to be cheerful sounding to be fun dance music...someone like Nostrum would be the prime example of this.
Or for some more examples
Again, this is the great divide between something that simply sounds darker organically and something that tries incredibly hard to in order to go for some sort of image much like what I imagine you're used to listening to. Do I listen to some cheese? Of course I do! I've got a few Laut Sprecher, Alice Deejay and Barthezz records I'm quite fond of.
But Kaycee cheese? Not even close. The most I'll concede is that they seemed to lack inspiration in the later period of the project as many of their tracks seemed to follow the same format (for example, their remix of Ralph Fridge's Mystery is similar to Unsolved Mysteries which also sounds similar to Jetlag; their remix of Beam & Yanou's Rainbow Of Mine sounds similar to their remix of 1998 which sounds similar to Escape 2000 and so on).
Mr.Mystery
So apparently Eelke Kleijn jumped ship to Spinnin' and is producing commercial house now:
But back in the GU days he used to sound like this:
SYSTEM-J
What we've got here is someone who likes simplistic, cornball music but bursts into tears when anyone else calls it as such, and has developed an extensive paradigm to convince themselves that their simplistic cornball music is actually the greatest, most effective form of dance music on the planet.
Vernon Wanderer
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Originally posted by Godking5
How do you go from the Mighty Dub Katz to producing tracks like "eat sleep rave repeat"
By being a successful showman and businessman. It is a nice fun track that had its purpose, which it fulfilled perfectly.
Fun fact: music is not being made for your approval.
rubez
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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer
By being a successful showman and businessman.
insightful.
the poorest transition of them all: when djs become entertainers.
i'll take a good trainwreck over that any day :stongue:
Mr.Mystery
And it's not like the Mighty Dub Katz was exactly deep underground to begin with.
Lews
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Originally posted by kosmotika
Elitist in the sense that I can't stand more than maybe 5% of anything that's come out since 2001, abhor modern production techniques, everything about it is poor template built e music using cheap romplers pumped out a mile a minute by folks who couldn't master a track to save their lives. Everything sounds some combination of harsh, brickwalled or weak. I've found very few songs produced in the last 15 or so years that I haven't felt were musically lazy and/or overproduced.
Swimming among the sea of pseudo-intellectual 'progressive' tryhards, kiddie big room house youtube intro music fanatics and soft estrogen packed men who listen to sappy uplifting crap where every track is completely indistinguishable from the next (and this goes for those other 2 archetypes as well) in today's world of electronic music as someone who listens to purely traditional trance music is truly a chore. I've just pissed off a good 90% of the 10 active posters here I'm sure.:D
So 95% of music is either 'pseudo-intellectual,' 'kiddie big room house youtube intro' (?), or 'sappy uplifting crap' ? Well, I must say, it's a good thing that you managed to find that 5% that avoids that and is, instead, 'unashamedly simplistic, catchy, fun dance music.'
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Now you're thinking "But I thought everyone is playing oldschool trance according to you", which is something I've never claimed. I only claimed that your average DJ that doesn't care about the sound of the underground is going to play Kaycee over current Bodzin. That's how it's been throughout the course of all history and that's how it is in this moment. Kaycee got support from huge name DJs like Armin and Tiesto back in the day...were those guys playing the underground techno of the time? Of course not. Why would it be any different now? Your typical DJ is playing flavor of the month genres, top 40 or proven dancefloor classics and underground music such as Bodzin's will remain underground.
As I asked before, have you gone clubbing anywhere besides Minneapolis? What you consider an 'underground niche' may well be in your god-forsaken milieu, but is rather standard fare in most major metropolitan cities.
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Calling myself an elitist is a bit tongue in cheek anyways, poking fun at myself...of course, to someone such as yourself as System-J, who takes themselves incredibly seriously and seems to think they're a new age philosopher because of the 'alternative' music they listen to, this kind of comment is completely lost to you. The difference is that I can say my music is simplistic, it's stupid in some ways and I love it anyways. You and System-J constantly need to prove something with what you listen to. You care more about your image than the music you pretend to like.
So your music is 'simplistic' and 'stupid', but it's also amazing, but other people's music is simplistic and stupid and they are either 'tryhards,' or like 'kiddie... youtube intro music,' and 'sappy uplifting crap' ?
And please, do go on about how seriously I take myself, how I think I'm a new age philosopher, and how I listen to 'alternative' music. And what, indeed, is the image I care so much about?
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Again, this is the great divide between something that simply sounds darker organically and something that tries incredibly hard to in order to go for some sort of image much like what I imagine you're used to listening to.
What do I listen to? You seem to have a very clear idea.
What is your grasp on reality, because it seems insanely tenuous. You alone have found the TRUE dance music, in-between the too-serious and the too-simplistic. You realise you sound exactly like a cultist who has found THE TRUTH, right? Either mocking or complaining about the rest of the world... You honestly sound stark raving mad.
Lews
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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
And it's not like the Mighty Dub Katz was exactly deep underground to begin with.
They were no Brothers Love Dubs, that's for sure.
... Seriously, though, I always confuse those two :o
